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To: Katelew who wrote (197309)	8/14/2006 4:33:31 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Excellent point. Problem in lebanon is that guerillas dont represent a state, nor does the state want them to. This is a unique situation where guerillas make fp for the nation that they are part of and in whose govt they participate in.

To: Katelew who wrote (197309)	8/14/2006 5:49:39 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

The insurgency in Malaya was put down. Maybe you could count the Shining Path as being defeated as well (although that defeat might not be total). Any number of guerrilla groups have been marginalized without totally being defeated. If the group is sufficiently able to mix with and be supported by the people you may never utterly defeat it (at least without wiping out whole sections of the population), but you can push it down to being a much less significant factor, less of a guerrilla army and more of a terrorist group, or at least a group that uses similar tactics. Vietnam was far less of a success for guerrilla tactics than most people think. The French where very severely harassed by guerrillas, so there is some element of success there, but they where defeated in conventional battle at Dien Bien Phu and some other locations. The Viet Cong operations against the Americans and the South Vietnamese government where severely weakened after the disastrous military setback at Tet (which in a sense was a victory for them because of the effect on American support for the war, but which in strictly military terms was a debacle). When South Vietnam fell it fell to a massive conventional invasion from the North, not to any guerrilla force. Basically guerilla warfare defeated the British in our war for independence. Guerrilla tactics kept the America independence movement's forces intact while Britain had superior military power, but losses of actual battles, not small scale guerrilla raids and ambushes caused the British to lose. Benington, Freeman's Farm, Bemis Heights Cowpens, Kings Mountain, Yorktown.