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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: tejek who wrote (50153)8/19/2006 12:57:17 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947
 
Sigh!

If that was the only thing David Kay said, at best you'd have a lame point to make in reference to the liberal LIE that removing Saddam was all about "stockpiles" of WMD's & absolutely nothing else. But David kay said a lot more. And most of what he said utterly destroys the lame point you are trying to make. On their own David Kay & the ISG make a mockery of the liberal lie you cling so fiercely to.

Iraq survey chief Kay stated,
    "I must say I actually think Iraq - what we learned during
the inspections... Iraq [was] a more dangerous place
potentially than in fact we thought it was even before the
war".....
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Kay says Iraq war was ‘prudent
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Last fall the Iraqi Survey Group uncovered, quote,
    "significant information, including research and 
development of biological weapons, applicable organisms,
the involvement of the Iraqi intelligence service in
possible biological weapons activities and deliberate
concealment activities."
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"It Was Never About a Smoking Gun," - by David Kay
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Key Excerpts from David Kay's Testimony to the SENATE Armed Services Committee
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Head of Iraq Survey Group - Charles Duelfer's Report: Saddam Planned to Restart WMD Programs
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No one could read even a small portion of the report and conclude that "Iraq had no WMDs" is a fair summary of its contents.
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"the former Iraqi dictator had intentions to restart his program."
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The Duelfer Report is a huge vindication for the Bush administration’s decision to remove Saddam Hussein.
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The report makes it plain that George W. Bush had good reason to go to war in Iraq and end the regime of Saddam Hussein.
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Far from keeping Saddam in his box, as critics of the war claim, the Duelfer report from the Iraq Survey Group shows how the same nations from whom Kerry craves approval happily supported Saddam's regime
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Iraq Hid Nuclear Program Intending On Rebuilding It
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Investigative Report
Saddam's WMD Have Been Found
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Inspector Charles Duelfer - "There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation."
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The Report That Nails Saddam
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Saddam did have WMD plans says inspector
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RE: The release of the Duelfer report - Nowhere did I see even a mention [in the MSM] that John Kerry, John Edwards, and even French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin talked about Iraq's WMD with much the same certitude as Condoleezza Rice, Dick Cheney and even Donald Rumsfeld.
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Misreporting the Duelfer report, again.... [the MSM] cherry-picked the findings.
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Iraq Survey Group
Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq’s WMD
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To: tejek who wrote (50153)8/19/2006 5:22:17 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947
 
An addendum:

...But what about the claim made by the president and Sen. McCain that Saddam never gave up his desire for weapons of mass destruction and would have produced them again? Well, in October 2003, U.S. inspection chief David Kay told Congress that the Saddam's regime
    "maintained programs and activities, and they certainly
had the intentions at a point to resume their programs. So
there was a lot they wanted to hide because it showed what
they were doing was illegal."
And in September 2004 then-Iraq Survey Group head Charles Duelfer issued a report which cited many violations of the sanctions regime and concluded that
    "Saddam pursued a strategy to maintain a capability to
return to WMD production after sanctions were lifted by
preserving assets and expertise. In addition to preserve
capability, we have clear evidence of his intent to resume
WMD production as soon as sanctions were lifted."
Duelfer continued:
    As UN sanctions eroded there was a concomitant expansion
of activities that could support full WMD reactivation.
He directed that ballistic missile work continue that
would support long-range missile development. Virtually no
senior Iraqi believed that Saddam had forsaken WMD
forever. Evidence suggests that, as resources became
available and the constraints of sanctions decayed, there
was a direct expansion of activity that would have the
effect of supporting future WMD reconstitution.
In the coming weeks, the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Reform will be releasing another report related to its investigation of the U.N.'s Oil-for-Food program. It should shed much more light on Saddam's efforts to undermine the sanctions regime and on what role governments played in "eroding" the very same sanctions they voted to enforce in numerous U.N. Security Council resolutions.

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To: tejek who wrote (50153)8/19/2006 7:47:59 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 90947
 
<< "Bush's own inspector admitted they found no WMDs in Iraq. Even Fox News admitted it:"

Actually you can't even get the facts straight when the words are right there in front of you. First, you used a CNN story, not Fox like you implied. Second the headline clearly read:

<< "Kay: No evidence Iraq stockpiled WMDs" >>

All Kay said was that there were no evidence that Saddam continued to maintain "stockpiles" of WMD's - no more, no less.

WMD's were indeed found. Plenty of them. They just weren't neatly stacked up in a warehouse & clearly marked "Saddam's 'Stockpiled' WMD's".

Investigative Report - Saddam's WMD Have Been Found

The Iraq Survey Group
(ISG), whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions....

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US Found WMDs in Iraq

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[T]here is a back story that must be told.

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“These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes … they do constitute weapons of mass destruction,” Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.

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They are weapons of mass destruction. They are harmful to human beings. And they have been found. And that had not been by Saddam Hussein, as he inaccurately alleged that he had reported all of his weapons. And they are still being found and discovered.

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[T]hese weapons were the kind used to kill 5000 Kurds by Saddam. Saddam only needed 3 of these missiles to accomplish that feat - we've uncovered 500. That's enough nerve agents to kill more than 8.3 million people - or the Island of Manhattan, or the city of Chicago.

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Pesticides, Precursors, and Petulance

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Pesticides, Precursors, and Petulance Revisited

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Iraq Survey Chief: More WMD Found

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Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq

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Why has there been almost no press coverage concerning the 17 sarin gas warheads discovered by Polish coalition forces in Iraq June 23?

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Saddam And WMD: Case Re-Opened?

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Iraq never declared any binary 155mm artillery shells. In fact, they never claimed any filled with sarin at all in the UNSCOM Final report

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Saddam’s WMD: Discovery and Denial

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Saddam And Anthrax Operations

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Saddam Documents: Fences Make Good Neighbors Edition

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Foreign Intel Had Identified WMD Sites

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RE: The Saddam Tapes - Charles Duelfer says the tapes, "support the conclusion in the report, which we made in the last couple of years, that the regime had the intention of building and rebuilding weapons of mass destruction, when circumstances permitted."

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"WHERE WAS THE NUCLEAR material transported to?" asks an aide to Saddam Hussein, in a taped conversation released last week. He answers his own question: "A number of them were transported out of Iraq."

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In addition to trying to buy uranium from Niger, Iraq had also tried to obtain uranium from Congo, and may have succeeded in doing so

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Saddam met with his nuclear group in 2002

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Saddam And Nukes: Together Again In 2001

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Why would the mass graves need testing for nuclear radiation?

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Inspect all sites bombarded by the enemy. To assure that no contamination or radioactivity are present, in particular and with utmost urgency the presidential sites.

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'The Iraqi Regime Has Transported The Chemical And Biological Weapons'

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Transfer of CHEMICAL WEAPONS (TOP SECRET memo)

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Iraq Was Hiding Chemical Weapons Facilities in 1999

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Note that the reclassifications that called specifically for chemical units and labs in conjunction with the surface-to-surface missile units came in 2001 and 2002. The nomenclature we have read in other documents did not even exist before 2001 -- and yet we are supposed to believe that the Saddam regime had no chemical or biological weapons?

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It looks like Iraq had enough chemical weapons material left at Talib to do some serious training

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Saddam's Shopping List

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"Summary of WMDs and WMD material found in Iraq after the invasion"
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Saddam discusses how to conceal Iraqi weapons programs from U.N. inspectors and the possibility that the United States could be the target of terrorist attacks....

...One new piece of information revealed on the tapes... is that Saddam was actively working on a plan to enrich uranium using a technique known as plasma separation. This... took place in 2000, nearly five years after Iraq's nuclear programs were thought to have stopped.

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On [the tapes], Saddam talks openly of programs involving biological, chemical and, yes, nuclear weapons.

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Tapes reveal WMD plans by Saddam

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    So Iraqi intelligence conducted "covert offensive
operations" involving "poisons" as well as explosives,
carried out "sabotage and assassination" outside of Iraq,
and trained agents in "the use of terror techniques"
abroad. Not bad for a single eight-page document.
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That doesn't sound like a man who had discarded his nuclear program

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The Eight Directorate is responsible for development of materials needed for covert offensive operations. It contains advanced laboratories for testing and production of weapons, poisons, and explosives

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Partial transcripts released by ABC certainly suggests that Iraq had intentions of deceiving inspectors and reconstituting its programs at the earliest possible moment

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Saddam Tapes Translator: ABC Disregarded My Translation And Offered Less-Threatening Version

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The translated document... illustrate[s] how much Hussein’s regime was focused on keeping the United Nations inspectors in the dark, in ending the inspections and sanctions regime, in having biological, chemical, and nuclear programs ready to go once the sanctions were gone...

...we have won Russia, ahhh … we have convinced Russia by way of generous accounts [payoffs] in which, you remember how and why it happened ...

... They have a bigger problem with the Chemical program than the Biological program, a lot bigger than the Biological program.... We have not told them that we used it on Iran, nor have we told them about the size or kind of Chemical weapons that we produced, and we have not told them the truth about the imported material...

...Again sir, about the Biological and the Chemical programs... the reason they know about it is, that we imported a quantity from America and we imported a quantity from Europe. However, we did not come forth with the quantities....

...Sir, about the Nuclear program, we say that we have uncovered everything. In addition, we have an unannounced problem with the Nuclear program, and I think they know about it. I mean, there is working teams that are working and some of these teams are not known to anyone... I must say that it is in our best interest not to uncover it, not only in fear of exposing the technology that we have or that we possess or to hide it for future agendas....

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“The Researches That Cannot Be Declared and that is related with the previous Prohibited Programs of WMD and how to make sure that information about these researches will not leak to the outside because it will be too dangerous if this happened”

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"remove correspondence with the atomic energy and military industry departments concerning the prohibited weapons" and "remove prohibited materials and equipment, including documents and catalogs and making sure to clear labs and storages (sic) of any traces of chemical or biological materials that were previously used or stored . . ."

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Go through all the records and files, remove the documents linked to the Atomic Energy Organization and the Military Industrial Commission, or other stations & departments related to restricted weapon programs...

...Ensure clean-up of the laboratories, warehouses and factories from all traces of chemical, biological or radiation that were previously used or stored....

...Use a standard method of dealing with UN inspection team members. Answers are not permitted other than through the authorized representative. If they question the departments or organizations outside of the agency site, a standard response is to be made to all questions that this is intelligence-related work, and that they have to consult with higher authorities for permission to answer....

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Loose Lips Generate Paperwork, And Reveal Iraqi Malfeasance

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This document refers to a heroic, around the clock effort to destroy documents relating to Iraq's WMD programs that I have also seen mentioned in the audiotapes of meetings in Saddam's office.

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About those WMDs

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OH THOSE PESKY IRAQI WMD’S!

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Where the WMDs Went

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Post-Invasion Intel Showed WMD Went To Syria

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Dr. Germ prepared an analysis in 2002 of how to spread biological weapons material using an aircraft as the medium, and how far they had advanced on the application

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Most of this evidence can be found in the final report of the Iraqi Survey Group (ISG)

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Saddam Was Into RVs
Mobile Labs Could Not Have Produced Hydrogen As Described

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WMDs still in Iraq?

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What Saddam's Iraq was up to.

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Iraqi Documents: UNMOVIC Knew Of Renewed WMD Efforts

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We have these categories: "Chemical;" twelve employees got bonuses. "Nuclear;" nine employees got bonuses. "Missiles;" seven employees got bonuses. "Biological;" nine employees got bonuses.

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Project Harmony Documents Show Chemical 'Projects' In 2003

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Iraqi Rosters In 2002 Show Interesting Department Names

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The Secret House Of The IIS

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Saddam Produced Nerve Gas Detectors In 2000

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Saddam did have WMD plans says inspector

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Another of the audio tape recordings Saddam Hussein's office... suggests that the Russians have been paid off...

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Iraqi Documents: Our Friends, The Russians

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NYT: Saddam Had WMD Capabilities

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The New York Times finally acknowledges the Saddam documents--if only to dismiss them.

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This is a rather pathetic and transparent example of how the news media stages information so as to be most damaging to an administration they don't like.

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The problem for liberals is that once that basic fact is admitted, and the discussion becomes more nuanced--e.g., old WMDs versus new WMDs--then the discussion also has to include addional facts: that Saddam remained committed to building more WMDs at the earliest opportunity; that he had at his command ample staff and other resources to carry out that command; and that Iraq was moving successfully toward ending the corrupt U.N. sanctions regime, at which point WMD production would have resumed.

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To: tejek who wrote (50153)8/20/2006 3:33:31 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947
 
As you know the assertion that Saddam's removal was about "stockpiles" of WMD's & nothing else is a LIE manufactured by unhinged leftists, better known as leading DNC politicians & MSM journalists. You didn't? I'm shocked! Shocked!

Well, here's proof that Bush publicly & repeatedly disclosed Saddam's non-compliance with every aspect of the Gulf War Cease Fire Agreement. No doubt you'll be shocked to learn that ANY violation of the Cease Fire Agreement (aka - UN Resolution 687) would allow for a resumption of hostilities. Compliance was unconditional PERIOD. NO EXCUSES! And Saddam agreed to those terms.

These are among the things the Bush Admin disclosed the following Cease Fire violations;

- Saddam's repeated, defiant non-compliance with UN Resolutions,

- the Secretary of State briefed the United Nations Security Council on Iraq's illegal weapons programs,

- Saddam Hussein was required to make a full declaration of his weapons programs. "He has not done so."

- Saddam Hussein was required to fully cooperate in the disarmament of his regime; "he has not done so."

- Saddam was improving and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical and biological weapons.

- The Iraqi regime was building the facilities necessary to make more biological and chemical weapons,

- UNSCOM inspectors were repeatedly denied unconditional access to suspected WMD facilities,

- Iraqi WMD scientists were threatened with harm should they cooperate in interviews with U.N. inspectors,

- Iraq refused to comply with an UNSCOM/IAEA decision to destroy certain facilities used in WMD programs

- Iraq had unaccounted for precursor materials for WMD programs,

- Saddam illicitly sought to purchase the equipment needed to enhance his WMD programs,

- Iraq used billions of dollars in illegal oil revenues to fund more weapons purchases,

- Iraq failed to completely disclose, then dismantle his WMD programs,

- Iraq and al Qaeda had high-level contacts that went back a decade,

- Saddam continued to finance terrorists,

- Iraq harbored terrorists,

- Iraq trained terrorists,

- Saddam had longstanding and ongoing ties with terrorists,

- Saddam had not released or accounted for all Gulf War personnel,

- Saddam committed massive crimes against humanity,

- The Iraqi regime bugged hotel rooms and offices of inspectors to find where they were going next; they forged documents, destroyed evidence,

- Iraq blocked effective inspections of so-called presidential sites -- actually 12 square miles with hundreds of structures where sensitive materials could be hidden,

- Iraq frustrated the work of international inspectors by firing warning shots, by tapping the telephones, confiscating their documents, blocking aerial inspection flights and barring access to sites for hours while evidence is carried away,

- Iraq refused to allow UNSCOM to use its own aircraft to fly into Iraq,

- Iraqi escorts on board an UNSCOM helicopter tried to physically prevent the UNSCOM pilot from flying the helicopter in the direction of its intended destination,

- An Iraqi officer attacked an UNSCOM inspector on board an UNSCOM helicopter while the inspector was attempting to take photographs of unauthorized movement of Iraqi vehicles inside a site designated for inspection,

- While seeking access to a site declared by Iraq to be "sensitive," UNSCOM inspectors witnessed and videotaped Iraqi guards moving files, burning documents, and dumping ash-filled waste cans into a nearby river,

- Iraq refused to allow UNSCOM inspectors to install remote-controlled monitoring cameras,

- Iraq disabled surveillance cameras,

- Iraq refused to allow UNSCOM's aerial surveillance flights,

- Iraq continued production of banned offensive weapons,

- Iraq failed to destroy existing banned offensive weapons,

- Iraq blocked UNSCOM from removing remnants of missile engines for in-depth analysis outside Iraq,

- Iraq's illicit use of the Oil-for-Food Program,

- Saddam ordered his military to shoot at American and British pilots patrolling the no-fly zones,

- Saddam's continued the persecution of its civilian population, ET AL, &

- countering Iraq's threat was central to the war on terror.

- "Victory against terrorism will not take place in a single battle, but in a series of decisive actions against terrorist organizations and those who harbor and support them."

- "The threat comes from Iraq. It arises directly from the Iraqi regime's own actions -- its history of aggression, and its drive toward an arsenal of terror. Eleven years ago, as a condition for ending the Persian Gulf War, the Iraqi regime was required to destroy its weapons of mass destruction, to cease all development of such weapons, and to stop all support for terrorist groups. The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has given shelter and support to terrorism, and practices terror against its own people. The entire world has witnessed Iraq's eleven-year history of defiance, deception and bad faith."

- "Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them.... Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated."

- "For Iraq, the old weapons inspection process was little more than a game, in which cheating was never punished."

- "In our view, Iraq's use and continuing development of weapons of mass destruction, combined with efforts of terrorists to acquire such weapons, pose a unique and dangerous threat to our national security."

- "Our goal is not merely to limit Iraq's violations of Security Council resolutions, or to slow down its weapons program."

- "The world has tried no-fly zones to keep Saddam from terrorizing his own people -- and in the last year alone, the Iraqi military has fired upon American and British pilots more than 750 times.

After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more."

- "Some have argued that confronting the threat from Iraq could detract from the war against terror. To the contrary; confronting the threat posed by Iraq is crucial to winning the war on terror. When I spoke to Congress more than a year ago, I said that those who harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists themselves. Saddam Hussein is harboring terrorists and the instruments of terror, the instruments of mass death and destruction."

- "For more than a decade, the regime has answered Security Council resolutions with defiance, bad faith and deception. We know that the Iraqi regime is led by a dangerous and brutal man. We know he's actively seeking the destructive technologies to match is hatred."

- "we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime."

- "And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons. Every chemical and biological weapon that Iraq has or makes is a direct violation of the truce that ended the Persian Gulf War in 1991. Yet, Saddam Hussein has chosen to build and keep these weapons despite international sanctions, U.N. demands, and isolation from the civilized world."

- "And that is the source of our urgent concern about Saddam Hussein's links to international terrorist groups. Over the years, Iraq has provided safe haven to terrorists such as Abu Nidal.... Iraq has also provided safe haven to Abu Abbas.... And we know that Iraq is continuing to finance terror and gives assistance to groups that use terrorism to undermine Middle East peace."

- "We know the treacherous history of the regime. It has waged a war against its neighbors; it has sponsored and sheltered terrorists; it has developed weapons of mass death; it has used them against innocent men, women and children. We know the designs of the Iraqi regime. In defiance of pledges to the U.N., it has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons. It is rebuilding the facilities used to make those weapons.... The regime has the scientists and facilities to build nuclear weapons, and is seeking the materials needed to do so."

- "We know that Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network share a common enemy -- the United States of America. We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases."

- "Iraq.... is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons.... Iraq has longstanding ties to terrorist groups... Iraq is ruled by perhaps the world's most brutal dictator who has already committed genocide with chemical weapons, ordered the torture of children, and instituted the systematic rape of the wives and daughters of his political opponents..."

- "Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training.

We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network, headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner. The network runs a poison and explosive training center in northeast Iraq, and many of its leaders are known to be in Baghdad. The head of this network traveled to Baghdad for medical treatment and stayed for months. Nearly two dozen associates joined him there and have been operating in Baghdad for more than eight months."

- "The Iraqi regime's violations of Security Council resolutions are evident, and they continue to this hour. The regime has never accounted for a vast arsenal of deadly biological and chemical weapons. To the contrary; the regime is pursuing an elaborate campaign to conceal its weapons materiels, and to hide or intimidate key experts and scientists, all in direct defiance of Security Council 1441.

This deception is directed from the highest levels of the Iraqi regime.... In intercepted conversations, we have heard orders to conceal materiels from the U.N. inspectors. And we have seen through satellite images concealment activity at close to 30 sites, including movement of equipment before inspectors arrive.

The Iraqi regime has actively and secretly attempted to obtain equipment needed to produce chemical, biological and nuclear weapons....

The regime is actively pursuing components for prohibited ballistic missiles."

- "On his orders, opponents have been decapitated and their heads displayed outside their homes. Women have been systematically raped as a method of intimidation. Political prisoners are made to watch their own children being tortured. The dictator is a student of Stalin, using murder as a tool of terror and control within his own cabinet, within his own army, even within his own family."

- "In addition to declaring and destroying all of its weapons of mass destruction, Iraq, in accordance with U.N. Security Council demands, must end its support for terrorism. As the U.N. demands, Iraq must cease the persecution of its civilian population. As the U.N. demands, Iraq must stop all illicit trade outside the oil-for-food program. Iraq must also release or account for all Gulf War personnel, including an American pilot whose fate is still unknown."

- "The war on terror is not confined strictly to the al Qaeda that we're chasing. The war on terror extends beyond just a shadowy terrorist network. The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein and his willingness to terrorize himself.

Saddam Hussein has terrorized his own people. He's terrorized his own neighborhood. He is a danger not only to countries in the region, but as I explained last night, because of al Qaeda connections, because of his history, he's a danger to the American people."

- "I went to the United Nations for a reason. One, I wanted the United Nations to be something other than an empty debating society. I wanted it to address this threat. By a 15-0 vote in the Security Council, they said, yes, it's a problem and he must disarm. But the fundamental question is, when. There's a lot of focus on the inspectors, and we wish them well. But the role of the inspectors is not to play hide-and-seek with Saddam Hussein in a country the size of California....

See, the role of the inspectors are not to play "gotcha."... The role of the inspectors are to watch Iraq disarm.... They're to report back and say, gosh, he's started getting rid of all his mustard gas or sarin gas. He started getting rid of these weapons of mass destruction. He's now getting rid of the biological laboratories. That's the role of the inspectors."

- "Iraqi's dictator has made a public show of producing and destroying a few prohibited missiles. Yet, our intelligence shows that even as he is destroying these few missiles, he has ordered the continued production of the very same type of missiles. Iraqi operatives continue to play a shell game with inspectors, moving suspected prohibited materials to different locations every 12 to 24 hours. And Iraqi weapons scientists continue to be threatened with harm should they cooperate in interviews with U.N. inspectors."

- "That's why I went there on September the 12th, 2002, to give the speech, the speech that called the U.N. into account, that said if you're going to pass resolutions, let's make sure your words mean something. Because I understand the wars of the 21st century are going to require incredible international cooperation. We're going to have to cooperate to cut the money of the terrorists, and the ability for nations, dictators who have weapons of mass destruction to provide training and perhaps weapons to terrorist organizations."

- "Terror cells and outlaw regimes building weapons of mass destruction are different faces of the same evil. Our security requires that we confront both."

- ".... Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option.

The dictator who is assembling the world's most dangerous weapons has already used them on whole villages -- leaving thousands of his own citizens dead, blind, or disfigured. Iraqi refugees tell us how forced confessions are obtained -- by torturing children while their parents are made to watch. International human rights groups have catalogued other methods used in the torture chambers of Iraq: electric shock, burning with hot irons, dripping acid on the skin, mutilation with electric drills, cutting out tongues, and rape. If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning."

- "And the U.N. must mean something. Remember Rwanda, or Kosovo. The U.N. didn't do its job. And we hope tomorrow the U.N. will do its job. If not, all of us need to step back and try to figure out how to make the U.N. work better as we head into the 21st century. Perhaps one way will be, if we use military force, in the post-Saddam Iraq the U.N. will definitely need to have a role. And that way it can begin to get its legs, legs of responsibility back."

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EJ Dionne, *not* a Righty, criticized Bush after the 2003
SOTU for offering *three* rationales for war, and asked him to pick one.

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Really, the Times -- and those others who are trying to rewrite history here -- ought to be ashamed. No one denies, of course, that Bush talked about WMD, but what's inexcusable is the way the critics are now trying to deny that he talked about anything else.

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Inspections + Verification

The focus is on the Duelfer report, it's important to remember that the U.N. inspection regime was about providing positive evidence of Saddam's disarmament.

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whitehouse.gov

UN Security Council Resolution 687
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