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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (197635)	8/16/2006 4:29:45 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

And it seems to work. World opinion blames only the Israelis, never Hizbullah. Why do you say this? Most people I speak with on the subject think the war was a tragedy, but acknowledge that Israel has to try to destroy an armed militia on its border that periodically attacks it and is dedicated to Israel's destruction. I think in the big picture most world opinion blames Arab ethnocentrism and Arab backwardness for Israel-Arab hostilities.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (197635)	8/16/2006 11:52:54 AM
From: Keith Feral	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Did the israelis ever get the 2 soldiers back? Can you imagine if the US declared war over 2 fox reporters that were just kidnapped? Glad our leaders are not that stupid. Maybe the gameplan was to disarm hez by getting them to fire all od their rockets at israel.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (197635)	8/16/2006 12:22:39 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I think what I and most of the world read from the 67 war, was that American military hardware was FAR superior to the Soviet hardware, and in particular, American tank tactics were superior to Soviet tactics, which is what the Arabs were using. The Arabs fought "buttoned up" in their tanks, with the commander running things while looking through his periscope. We, and the Israelis fought with the tank commander seated with his head out of the hatch in the turret. This gave the Israelis the first shot, and (if needed, the third or fourth, before the Arab could get off one.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (197635)	8/16/2006 2:13:10 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

1. Hezbollah, not all Arabs, participated in this. They are definitely pipsqueaks in comparison to Israel which is the 4th largest (?) or perhaps just the 4th best armed military in the world. Israel is also a nuclear power. Hezbollah has rockets it can't aim. 2. Israel has lost some of its sense of morality. It has also lost some of its character. 3. Israel's Achilles Heel is its PR which has taken yet another blow. It is seen as the recipient of seriously unbalanced rightwing US Christocrat support based on superstitious mumbo jumbo and bigotry. In this particular episode the Achilles Heel was the failure of Israeli intelligence and the intelligence of Ohlmert which couldn't connect reality with his mouth. Shades of George W. 4. Once again it's pure bigotry to say that Hezbollah or the Lebanese care more about defeating Israel than they love their children. There are plenty of parents who do not love their children. There are other parents who make a choice between life X and life Y. Take the Israeli settlers who drag their children into the hot zone where they're liable to be in conflict with other people. Do those Israelis love conflict with others more than they love their children? Your arguments make absolutely no sense. They only allow you to express your bigotry with a self-righteousness that no human deserves. 5. I'm sure Israel has been stockpiling nukes for a reason. I think that it is the country more liable to use them than any other except, perhaps, the rogue dictatorship that is the Republican portion of the US government. Yet again you blame public opinion for Israel's bad actions. This is whining. This is also the Bushies Neocon numnutz strategy. Unfortunately it makes the user look like a bratty child. Have you listened to how idiotic Kristol sounds? He originally said that the Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq have no problem with each other. Lately he thought Iraq could be solved by sending in 30,000 more US troops. Everyone should stop listening to the Neocon idiots.