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To: Lane3 who wrote (26795)8/18/2006 1:45:45 PM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543273
 
I said: Rather that we agree about the relation between libertarianism and Bush's attempt to privatize social security.

You said: We do? I missed that.


Well, I'm swatting fast breeding flies then. We are in a conversational disconnect. But it's still worth one more try.

I thought we agreed that libertarian ideological principles provided the cover, as it were, over the Bush attempt to privatize social security, among many other things. Not that Bush was adopting libertarian principles; just that, as with so much of what he does, he found some convenient language hanging around and hoisted it up. Lind's use of the Norquist metaphor made the connection firmly enough.

Now you say I made a mistake in thinking you agreed with that small bit. Ok.

As for whether I'm on Lind's side or not, it's irrelevant for that part of the argument. Just that he assumed a certain relaton between Bush's policy push in this regard and libertarianism.

I happen to think Lind is correct. Both in his argument as to what has come and, hopefully, gone (I'm not as certain as he is that it's gone) and in the deletorious social consequences of privatization. But that should have been apparent from the post to which you just replied.

As for the rest of your argument, I have no idea where you are taking it. Best to go on to other things.



To: Lane3 who wrote (26795)8/18/2006 3:18:49 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 543273
 
denying an increase in the minimum wage is an economic issue and a moral issue, not a liberty issue

Real liberty would be to not have a minimum wage, but still increasing it reduces liberty.

I think I get your point that the main forces against the increase are people who are against it because of its economic consequences, and some might perceive moral reasons to increase it or not to increase it, but it is also an issue that touches on liberty.