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To: Bilow who wrote (198011)	8/18/2006 5:49:35 PM
From: Ichy Smith	Respond to of 281500

When I say that Israel is one war away from peace I'm talking about your own mistaken ideas and the mistaken ideas of people just like you. You still think that peace will arrive with a victory for Israel. How can you imagine this when you have seen how things have been trending since 1967? The Arabs will accept peace when they have achieved their goals in Israel/Palestine, and not till then. As far as dishing out a "level of devastation" sufficient to change the minds of the 200 million Arabs, the hell you think that Israel is capable of doing this when they had to accept a cease fire with 3 to 5 thousand guerillas? Israel had to beg for a cease fire not because she was defeated on the battlefield, but instead because she was unable to attain her objectives on the battlefield, that is, she could not stop the rain of rockets. Strangely enough that is what Gwynne Dyer said the other day. He saw the outcome a little differently than you however. He expects that at the moment that Israel is over run, It will launch hundreds of Nuclear weapons at the invading countries leaving the invaders with no homes to return to. Thus the Muslim victory will be complete.

To: Bilow who wrote (198011)	8/18/2006 6:35:48 PM
From: neolib	Respond to of 281500

First, you figure out how close "bunker busting" munitions have to be dropped in order to achieve success against very deeply dug in troops. Second, you arrange for a very wide region to be covered with fake bunker targets spaced apart by that dimension. Third, you arrange for some of those fake bunker targets to be real, but for the enemy to be unable to detect which are which. You do this by excavating from underground. That is, the point where an excavation begins is obvious and visible from the air, but the point where it emerges is not. After you complete the excavation, you fill back in the point from which it was excavated so that is not weak point. I would think that some radar might make this a weak strategy, but not sure. More to the point however, Hezbullah is winning the reconstruction war, while the USA and Israel look like Brown following Katrina. Expected I guess.

To: Bilow who wrote (198011)	8/19/2006 9:53:43 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

"The Arabs will accept peace when they have achieved their goals in Israel/Palestine, and not till then. " And that stated goal being the destruction of israel. "People like you" always forget the most important reason that israel fights in the first place. Maybe it is futile in the end with one billion crazed moslem standing at the gates of Jerusalem but whether you think so or not, on that day there will be far more dead arabs and moslems than jews. Assymetric warfare Carl--5mm israelis are destroyed but at what cost to the arabs with 400 nukes going off in all of their cities. That realization for the arabs alongside the ones you point out for israel will eventually lead to settlement. Now thats the other side of assymetric warfare that "you people" dont understand.