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To: geode00 who wrote (199176)	8/24/2006 7:41:17 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

You could have said something like this and saved yourself the confusion and exactly how many posts going over and over and over this thing? I told you what my impression of your statement was and you keep arguing that my impression shouldn't be my impression. Your impression was not logically implied by anything I said. Or to put it another way it was a false impression. We went over and over it again because you persisted in the false impression. That's because there's no oversight in a one party rule police state. I suppose there wouldn't be, but its rather academic as we aren't in a one party police state. You keep going over nits while ignoring the central issue. It isn't "the central issue", and I haven't ignored it. "Aren't hard to obtain" isn't very specific, and might not apply to all situations. Unfortunately we don't know the exact details of the potential FISA request that we not made, or even of the FISA requests that were actually made. That's a major downside to secrecy. We could more reasonably discuss the policy if it wasn't secret. OTOH operational security is important in war. Once again I'm not endorsing Bush's program. I'm just saying its not clearly unconstitutional. FISA warrants being easy or not easy to obtain is pretty much irrelevant to that argument, not "the central point". If you want to say "it seems fishy to me", or "I don't like it", than "FISA warrants are not hard to obtain given so few are ever denied", might be relevant to that argument, but it isn't very relevant to whether or not the administrations actions are unconstitutional.