To: Moominoid who wrote (8658 ) 8/28/2006 10:53:35 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 219562 Moom, I recall one of the Iranians being reported as saying that they are quite happy to obliterate Israel because after the smoke clears, there will still be some of Iran remaining, but none of Israel. Which would be a victory. I hasten to add that I don't understand the language they speak and so it's second or third hand information and the military intelligence on Iraq's WMDs showed how reliable that is. When a gathering force of megalomania is on the rampage, from Ghengis Khan, to Adolf, the Roman Empire, Japan's East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, Mao's marauding and communist mass murder in general, they do not stop until something stops them. They generally don't run out of steam, even though it's a heck of a long way from Mongolia to Turkey and northern Europe and you'd have to be dedicated to the megalomaniac cause to rampage that far, hacking heads, raping women and free-loading on the farmers. Islamic Jihad is on the rampage. They have got hordes in countries around the world and Van Gogh has already been hacked up and left dead with a message held to his chest with a knife. Fatwahs are available for everyone who doesn't obey the Mullahs' edicts. Make a very inoffensive cartoon about violent Moslems and their superstitions and it's the throat-cutting and stoning. When they talk genocide and totalitarianism, one had better not treat them as noisy children to be ignored, or worse, encouraged. They are not children. They are adults with minds of their own. They say they want to kill all Jews. We have already seen that when some people talk like that, they are not kidding. Genocide has been common around the world for eons and I don't see any reason why people inclined to genocide will stop because it would be nice for their intended victims if they'd just stay and play in their own back-yard. Islamic Jihad isn't just for a few countries and people. It's for everyone. If they don't want it, they are going to get it anyway, good and hard. Heck, the USA was founded on genocide and slavery. It's not as though it's a new concept. New Zealand was full of it before the English arrived and the Maoris agreed to English laws with the Queen being the boss, which kept the neighbouring tribes at bay. It was not fun for a lot of tribes when the Ngapuhi went on the rampage with muskets, killing and eating anyone they liked. The English were far more civilized and preferred hiring and trading and buying land to rampaging around like the Ngapuhi. Ask the Chatham Islanders [the few remnants] how things were in the 19th century when Maoris hitched a lift from Taranaki to the Chatham Islands. I guess Google will have a link... here goes... sure enough en.wikipedia.org < In 1835 some Ngati Mutunga and Ngati Tama people, Maori from the Taranaki region of the North Island of New Zealand settled in the Chathams. On November 19, 1835, a chartered European ship, the Rodney, carrying 500 Maori armed with guns, clubs and axes arrived, followed by another ship with 400 more Maori arriving on December 5, 1835. They proceeded to enslave and kill (and cannibalise) the Moriori. A Moriori survivor recalled : "[The Maori] commenced to kill us like sheep.... [We] were terrified, fled to the bush, concealed ourselves in holes underground, and in any place to escape our enemies. It was of no avail; we were discovered and killed - men, women and children indiscriminately." A Maori conqueror explained, "We took possession... in accordance with our customs and we caught all the people. Not one escaped....." (Diamond 1997:53). > Islamic Jihad is like the Ngapuhi up north and the Taranaki Maoris on the Chathams. They only understand one thing, respect for other people. No, hang on, that doesn't sound right. How to cook other people. Yes, that's more like it. Mqurice