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To: tejek who wrote (301676)	8/29/2006 9:47:23 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577900

The kibbutzim aren't exactly the wave of the future, even in Israel, and they can't (at least not all of them) really be considered "true communism as inspired by Marx". To the extent that they do ok, its largely by operating like a firm in a capitalistic market. They are internally socialist/communist (even if not usually to the extent of the Marxian ideal) but externally operate as capitalist. Perhaps they operate as one capitalist agent collectively rather than as a bunch of small separate individual capitalist agents, but that's also what a corporation does. Also the "very single communist society that failed" that Tench was talking about was communism at a national level. Many attempts at small communes have also failed, but that failure is less universal.

To: tejek who wrote (301676)	8/30/2006 3:52:15 PM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577900

>Not correct. True communism as inspired by Marx is being practiced by the kibbutzim in Israel. Most are doing well. Some are doing very well. It has a much easier time working when everyone knows everyone else, like in a kibbutz. It's fairly easy to get even conservative types to give something of themselves to improve the lives of people that they actually know and who look and act like them but are less fortunate. It gets trickier to get people to commit to give of themselves to people that they don't know. -Z