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To: neolib who wrote (200236)	8/30/2006 12:41:53 PM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Why do you ignore fact that Jews were happy to have immigration of other Jews into Palestine, while other Arabs had no desire, and indeed did not want Palestinian Arabs moving into their countries? The asymmetry of the above situation has well know roots to anyone willing to be a little unbiased in looking at things. Yet it is trotted out repeatedly, only to reflect poorly on those making the argument. If the Arab States deported jews, where exactly were they supposed to go? particularly since the jews predated the Muslim conquest of some of those lands. Remember that many of the countries we are talking about did not become Muslim by choice but rather people converted to escape being murdered. So why are the palestinians a jewish problem, but the deportation of the jews ignored? It simply shows the foulness of islam is not new but Historic. Muslim history is no better than the Nazi legacy, and it is time Muslims were treated more as nazis than as a religion.

To: neolib who wrote (200236)	8/30/2006 12:46:53 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Look, there have been plenty of examples of transfers of populations during severe ethnic conflicts. Moslems and Hindus lived with each fairly well until the 1930s and 40s, then they became inflamed and Pakistan was created to take in millions of Moslems who could no longer live in India (though millions still do live there--it has one of the largest Moslem populations in the world). The two state solution in the late 40s was designed and accepted by the majority of the UN because a one state solution was unacceptable to both Arabs and Jews at the time. Jews didn't accept it unanimously, but, led by David Ben-Gurion, they ended up accepting it. Indeed, Ben-Gurion threatened Jewish dissenters with a civil war if they didn't accept it, and killed at least 10s and possibly 100s of them in skirmishes prior to '48 to make his point. Some Arabs even accepted it. But the leaders for the most part didn't, they couldn't abide it. It isn't a matter of Arab states not "wanting" added immigration, it never is. If the UN hadn't set up the refugee camps, it would have happened, willy nilly, just as Israel accepted the Jewish refugees. Yes, Israel wanted more jews, granted. What you and everyone who argues like you ignores is that there was no Palestinian country, no Palestinian ethnic group at the time. What to do with that part of the former Ottoman Empire was still undecided, unlike much of the rest of it. Do you actually believe that the population of Iraq was consulted by Britain when they installed Faisal as King back in 1921 or so?! No, the guy had no roots in Iraq. Do you think that the populations of the Gulf States were consulted when they were created by Britain and had British allies installed to lead them? No--they just did it. And they did in order to make sure that there were a lot of little weak states that were dependent on them for their existence and to reward some of the petty sheiks who had backed them in WWI. Learn some history before you spout off about what is "fair". You know yourself from your experience in Africa that these things were never decided "fairly." Yet Israel is the only country that gets called "illegitimate," despite the fact that they might be the only country that was actually legitimated by a vote of the UN, FWIW--they still had to win their independence in war.