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To: RMF who wrote (76759)	8/30/2006 6:39:23 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 173976

I don't think comparisons to postwar Germany are valid. You're right. The population of Germany in 1940 was 41 million. There are now 1.5 billion Muslims. More than 10 times the population of the US. We had 3 times the population of Germany in 1940. The Germans weren't fighting for some sort of religious belief. They were essentially a secular society. You think this makes things BETTER???? Are you SERIOUS???? Religious wars are the worst of all. Martin Luther wrote his "95 Theses" in 1517 and started the Protestant Reformation- -heresy according to the Catholic Church at that time. Close to 250 years of wars engulfed Europe following that with hundred of millions of dead. In the Middle East you're talking about people that believe in their God more than they could ever believe in a Democratic leader. This is good? How do you reason with fanatics? What happens when they decide they will either save your soul or kill you? WE can't understand people wanting to die as validation for their own PERSONAL salvation. The only history of that for us seems to come from the Bible. Part of the reverence held for Christianity comes from the stories we get from the Bible extolling the heroics of Christians willing to die for their faith. The Romans found that very difficult to deal with and we are up against sort of the same conundrum. Christian didn't blow themselves up or slam planes they were aboard into buildings. Suicide is a sin in most Christian sects. There were also the Japanese and kamikaze pilots. They were convinced that not even kamikazes could make a difference by 2 atom bombs. I don't really have any answers and I only post here to see if other people have ideas and possible answers. I think we start with the US is going to HAVE to get out of Iraq one way or another. We'd like to not leave such a mess behind that it (a) is absorbed by Iran, or (b) does not become a state that supports and encourages terrorism. Ideally, it would be a working democracy, although that isn't likely. A tripartite division MIGHT work if the splitting of oil revenues can be agreed on. To hold off Iraq, the US or NATO would probably have to guarantee the borders of the new states.