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To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (1227)	8/31/2006 3:47:52 PM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1695

The different role of women from their traditional role is a very very recent phenomenon and it has not been existence long enough to establish that it will work for society. ... it has to be asked if it will work for the whole. Modern women assert that it can and will and there will be no going back. The truth of the matter is that this is an experiment in uncharted, and I think, dangerous waters. We have broken a mold and not replaced it. The longterm results of this are unknown. This is all true. However, it is equally true about the ending of slavery, mechanical industry, effective medicine, the internal combustion engine, unrestricted democracy, electricity, mass production, mass education, and the computer. To name but a few advances of the last 200 years. I'm happy to accept all of these and more without further testing to be sure that they 'will work for society', recent though they all are and despite the changes all have and will entail. Have you given up all of these? And I hope that you've sworn off antibiotics (called by some the greatest medical advance of the 20thC), never fly, phone or watch TV, and of course abstain from eating any food out of season. (I will not ask if you or a partner have ever used contraception, obviously. Even though this has done much to aid and empower women, the change you seem to deplore.)

To: Bread Upon The Water who wrote (1227)	8/31/2006 5:44:11 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1695

It's not finesse, it's nuance. (That's kind of an in joke around these threads) You are trying to make it seem that women should and can have a different existence than they have had for most of human recorded history simply because they want to On the contrary, I believe women should have a CHOICE in the matter, something they didn't have in the past. And then, yes, why shouldn't they pursue something else if the traditional role doesn't appeal to them? WHy was wanting something that men have had such easy access to a bad thing? Because things have always been a certain way and thus should continue the same strikes me as an odd approach to life. There was nothing "blithe" about the pursuit of women's rights. In fact, that kind of derogatory dismissiveness is one of the weapons used against women as they demanded a voice. You are correct. The mold is broken. For this reason, there has to be an acknowledgment on both sides that a new framework needs to evolve and that the old is impaired and unlikely to be fully functional again, unless individual couples choose to use it. The new framework should be more cooperative and collaborative. And now, I hate to shock you further, but I have to return to WORK. We have our first concert tonight. 130 kids on stage not knowing what they are doing. Hm. Not much progress for me. I'm still telling kids to tuck their shirts in and mind their manners.