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To: GST who wrote (200465)	8/31/2006 7:44:26 PM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

If the US government financed and protected Hizbollah I would be harshly critical of their behavior. But our responsibility is first and foremost with what WE do. If WE commit war crimes or if WE provide the money and means to those who commit war crimes, then WE should do everything in our power to stop ourselves first. Then, and only then, do we have the right to denounce the artocities of others and exercise the opportunity to show the world what real global leadership for human rights, rule of law, democracy and freedom really means. What leadership in these values does NOT mean is that we have the right to commit atrocities. Every atrocity we commit, finance, enable or endorse cuts into the heart of what it is to be America So, if you cut Israel off, and Hizbollah continued to get aid from Iran and overran Israel, wouldn't you be as guilty of warcrimes because your inaction brought about the War crimes of Hizbollah? In other words if both sides in a war are committing war crimes, (and Hizbollahs lack of victims is due to Israeli action rather than Hizbollahs lack of effort,) how can anyone simply say, I have to overlook one sides crimes in order to focus on the crimes of the other side? There can be no justice in only examining one side of the war.

To: GST who wrote (200465)	8/31/2006 7:49:55 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

If the US government financed and protected Hizbollah I would be harshly critical of their behavior. Yes, in the exchange leading up to your comment here, I was dumbfounded by the lack of acknowledging this minor point. LOL! There are dozens of corrupt and evil regimes on the planet, but I worry the most about which ones I'm footing the bill for, not the ones I oppose.

To: GST who wrote (200465)	8/31/2006 9:33:26 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Then, and only then, do we have the right to denounce the artocities of others and exercise the opportunity to show the world what real global leadership for human rights, rule of law, democracy and freedom really means. So, using your logic, the United States would never have been involved in WWII, EVEN AFTER BOTH JAPAN AND GERMANY HAD DECLARED WAR UPON US, because we still had segregation, sexism, and still held possessions gained from imperialist policies, right?? Don't complain about anyone else, and ignore their attacks against you, until you have achieved 100% perfection in your own democracy.. right? Don't intervene when other countries are committing aggressions, or undermining democratic governments until we have our own house in order.. right? If we see a genocide taking place, don't intervene until we have our house in order.. right? Just sit on our @sses and watch the world go by until we're perfect and you no longer have any reason to criticize or complain.. right?? Am I understanding you correctly? Hawk