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To: TimF who wrote (273)	9/7/2006 5:53:41 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

why have the Zionists been so hell-bent in NOT letting people examine it closely Those people who argued against the Holocaust or criticized it did not all say it never occurred. What they doubt very much is the claim that 6 million Jews died. Before any attempts could be made by them to ascertain the truth, these so-called "holocaust-deniers/minimizers" were routinely charged with anti-semitism and jailed or their reputations and careers were destroyed and worse. To me this is ludicrous and unnecessary. If it is as genuine as it has been touted to be, it should fear no amount of examination and re-examination and criticisms. In fact, if it is true, then any attempts to debunk the Holocaust in any way would make the veracity of the Holocaust so much stronger and convincing! Could it be fear of exposition that has been responsible for routinely stifling any and all efforts to re-examine the Holocaust? The statement that the Holocaust has been decumented by Nazis is not convincing to me as after the war there were far too many compliant Nazis who would do anything for the sake of their survival. As for eye-witnesses, just how reliable were they? Is it not conceivable they could have exaggerated or were led to mislead/misinform? Are you aware that there was no formal treaty ending the war with Germany and that Germany is exisiting now, in effect, as a "quasi" colony with no formal consitution of its own? Doesn't that say a lot for the ease with which the Holocaust became cast in stone, so to speak? When I wrote It appears that sometime in 1943 or thereabouts, a group of Jews tried to ransome Jewish prisoners in concentration camps for the required sum of $2 billion (or was it million??). But the Zionist honcho in Switzerland refused to provide the money, declaring that Jewish blood had to be spilt to make the case for creating Israel stronger and defensible! I meant there was an attempt by some Jews to pay a ransom to rescue the prisoners and that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland had refused to pony up the money. When I first read this, I was rather incredulous and so I didn't bother to note down the source. But it is somewhere out there. Do a google and you might find it. But there is no guarantee of you succeeding now because many things relating to the Holocaust have since been censored and erased by the government-compliant media. For example I could no longer find the history of Israel, the role of the Irgun and Hagganah terrorists, that Menachem Begin and Ishak Shamir were terrorist leaders who later on became Israeli Prime Ministers and Israel's first prime minister, Ben Gurion, admitting that Palestine was, in effect, usurped for the creation of Israel and he went on to envision an Eretz Israel (or Greater Israel) whose bounds extend to the Litani and Euphrates rivers. So Israel has long range plans for usurping others'territories, NOT? In response to my statement the Holocaust was foisted upon an unsuspecting public, you wrote: Nonsense. Even if the story was true (something I find extremely unlikely) it would not mean that the Holocaust was engineered by Zionists. It would only mean that some specific Zionist took no steps to prevent it. The story itself strikes me as ridiculous, but even if it was true it doesn't support your claim or Ahmadinejad's. On the contrary, it makes sense! Apparently, some Jews cared. But the Zionist organization whose headquarters were in Switzerland at the time saw a golden opportunity to parlay on the travails and tribulations and deaths of their own kind for the creation of Israel, and so they refused to pony up, declaring that Israeli blood had to be spilt in order to realize the creation of Israel! I am not in the surprised you didn't know this even if indeed it was true you were not aware of it. Simply because it does not make sense for the top Zionists to reveal such an embarrassing detail. I think at this time when the US and Israel are being regarded as rogue-states intoxicated with the power of power and perception that might is always right, it is vital that a "sacred cow" such as the Holocaust has elevated itself to be, bears a thorough re-examination to arrive at the absolute truth once and for all time for the entire world to see. .