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To: TimF who wrote (51057)9/12/2006 2:33:43 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947
 
Well, Tim. You just keep saying it is not a zero sum same. Your explanation of "indirect gains" is simply fatuous. This "explanation" can be used by anyone for any reason should they wish to deny the actuality of zero sum. You don't believe that zero sum exists, then fine. Why discuss something that doesn't exist?

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futures
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A standardized, transferable, exchange-traded contract that requires delivery of a commodity, bond, currency, or stock index, at a specified price, on a specified future date. Unlike options, futures convey an obligation to buy. The risk to the holder is unlimited, and because the payoff pattern is symmetrical, the risk to the seller is unlimited as well. Dollars lost and gained by each party on a futures contract are equal and opposite. In other words, futures trading is a zero-sum game. Futures contracts are forward contracts, meaning they represent a pledge to make a certain transaction at a future date. The exchange of assets occurs on the date specified in the contract. Futures are distinguished from generic forward contracts in that they contain standardized terms, trade on a formal exchange, are regulated by overseeing agencies, and are guaranteed by clearinghouses. Also, in order to insure that payment will occur, futures have a margin requirement that must be settled daily. Finally, by making an offsetting trade, taking delivery of goods, or arranging for an exchange of goods, futures contracts can be closed. Hedgers often trade futures for the purpose of keeping price risk in check. also called futures contract.