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To: Lane3 who wrote (1098)	9/16/2006 4:57:10 PM
From: Jim S	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

"...pieces that CB posted about Islam having no foundation to support a separation of mosque and state..." I thought the same thing. And I also thought about some of the fundamentalist christians that try to make things that way here in the US, too. Kind of a scary thought, if everybody wanted that sort of a unified government and religion, what it might lead to.

To: Lane3 who wrote (1098)	9/16/2006 5:47:46 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 10087

Perhaps it would help, although I some how doubt it, if I could offer an analogy for the same paradox I presented earlier for time. Zeno's paradox. When the philosopher Zeno presented his paradox for movement it confounded folks for centuries. The paradox says that if you want to move from A to B you must move first half the distance to C. Moving half the distance (A to C) would take a certain amount of time. Before you could move from A to C you'd have to move half that distance (A to D) and that would take half the time of moving from A to C. Since you could divide the distance an infanite amount of times and move an infanite number of times before getting to B, you could not logically make the move from A to D in a finite time. There are a couple of ways to resolve this paradox. The one that is applicable here is to point out that in real life we are not bound by the rules contained in Zeno's paradox. We can in real life divide time into segments mathmatically according to his rules or we can view time wholistically and divide it anyway we want including as one segment from A to B. We are not forced to apply those division rules contained in Zeno's paradox, as human beings we have the benefit of looking at the real world which is in no way confined to Zeno's forced description, and see that things are quite differently. There are upwards of 7 million plus Muslims living in the USA, spread across nearly every community, people who vote and believe in democracy. There are tons of common sense descriptions of how muslims can live according to their religion in moderate and decent ways, coexisting in diverse communities. I could offer you a scholarly treatment that supports democracy in Islam. We could discuss the various Islamic geopolitical regions that might oppose such social movement ... Dunno how much of a problem that would be. So we can be stuck, as we are caught up in the restrictive descriptions of what people like CB and longnshort provide for us ... and that may leave us to cringing in fear of lions and tigers and Muslims. If that is where this discussion is to continually be refocused ... I'm not to interested. Or we can be more optimistic and take another look at informational resources that are more optimistic, less rabbid and extreme, and look at what people in the real world do to solve that problem. I suggest we dismiss those "Guess wut dem moslum idjuts want to do ta us nice folk" rabbid extremist view points for what they are... based on fear, bigotry, and hate... and pretend we know how to act like civilized human beings looking for peaceful solutions.