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To: Ish who wrote (1111)	9/16/2006 8:48:54 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

"Christians believe Jesus was the savior, is that what Muslims believe?" Depends on who you ask. There is an area that could be commonly agreed on without killing over the hair but many people would prefer to make the hair the center of the universe and fight over it. But since you ask me, I'll tell you what I think speaking for my self with reference to Jesus as my savior. Muslims believe everything that the Bible says Jesus said and did, as far as I know. People will argue whether who gets the 'said and did stuff' interpreted correctly. As you know there are some interpretive things that are argued over by and between Christian sects and between Muslims. Let's focus first on the savior part. Savior: Muslims believe Jesus was concieved by a miraculous immaculate conception by a pure virgin woman blessed by God (Mary). That he was a perfect and sinless deliverer of God's message to human beings, performing miracles as evidence of the authority granted him by God. That he himself was a model of 'The Way' of life that would achieve God's perfect mercy. So, living according to Jesus's message and model of life will save any human being in light of God's judgement. There is a great deal more about Jesus in the Quran and I doubt you would find any objection to what it says. The Quran criticises Christian conduct as it does Jews and human beings in general but never Christ. In fact originally the word Muslim did not mean something contrary to other Abrahamic believers, it is an Arabic word meaning 'One who truly believes in God', over the centuries the trend has been to use the term to distinquish more and more between the groups. The hair: Muslims also believe that this message has been made available to all human beings since Adam in one form or another and that no human being will have the excuse that they didn't get God's guidance, and Muslims declare the righteous from Adam to Moses to the present to be Muslim. One interesting aspect of the Story of Jesus that is pointed out in Islamic text is that the miracles of Jesus are to be a testament in the here after for those who make the common declaration "shoot, if God showed me supernatural miracles I'd be a believer, but not till then." Well, Jesus miracles ran the gammut and the miracles did not convert. It was always those who would first believe that were declared saved, not those who went, "well whad'ya know bout that, now I believe." Just like with Moses, etc the miracles only hardened the hearts of the unbelievers. More of the hair: The real doctrinal issue that Muslims and Christians alike get so uppity about that they want to kill somebody is John 3:16. Muslims point out that the common vernacular of the day was to call someone a child of the devil if they behaved sinfully, or a child of God if they were righteous. That because Jesus was the only perfect man that no one deserved that title Child of God more than Jesus. So, followers raised his status and made this a major issue. But when Jesus was challenged over this charge of being God's kid by the Pharasies he responded, 'Are we not all the children of our father who art in heaven'. Many Christians like to think of the Child thing as a reference to a child being likened to the father, rather than a carnal relationship making God an extra powerful human being with a kid, rather than a creator who is unlimited in descriptions of perfection who created human form. That would match the Muslim view. But other Christians hold a more anthropomorphic idea of God and Son and this is where the division of view points seem to get juicy. The rest is all geopolitical-cultural crap.