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To: Qualified Opinion who wrote (21292)	9/17/2006 9:28:24 AM
From: tom pope	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 52153

OT - I am not for a moment suggesting that the extremists be coddled. I think the Netherlands government in particular has been scandalously lax in dealing with the extremism in its midst, and I have been waiting for some signs that it and other governments in Europe begin to deal with the problem. But I don't think Benedict's choice of words is likely to make progress in defining what Western societies should accept as acceptable behavior in their Muslim populations. This is what he quoted: Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached".

To: Qualified Opinion who wrote (21292)	9/17/2006 9:30:33 AM
From: IRWIN JAMES FRANKEL	Respond to of 52153

>>Excerpt: Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God", he says, "is not pleased by blood - and not acting reasonably ... is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...". The Pope's comment is inherently Christian* (faith based) in contrast to Islam which is practice-based. Force is useless to control belief but it is very effective to control practice. Islam does not require the adherent to believe anything but rather to practice the Five Pillars. (Recitation of the Shahadah is a practice.) ij * Or to generalize, belief-based.