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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (203410)	9/18/2006 12:35:53 PM
From: Doug R	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

torture epa lying, directed from the White house, that will result in probably thousands of premature deaths domestic spying by the fed govt DHS thuggery Stifling academic freedom disappearing people detention centers with no recourse secret prisons for suspects 10s of thousands of innocents killed in unnecessary wars that make those in power and money more powerful and richer 'signing statements' that amount to virtual dictatorship endless fear mongering from our govt to make us all more subserviant Did I leave anything out? No doubt. We have complete psychopaths running this country doing the most ungodly things but we have to stop short of considering a significant likelihood of just a single example of how ungodly they are?

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (203410)	9/18/2006 1:36:27 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

But sticking with the smoke for a while, my work in BP Oil used to involve what happens to fuel after it goes through an engine. What comes out is a chemical stew, commonly called "smoke". Bingo.. if it's anything, it's the particulates that may have been breathed in due to either removing masks (because they are hot). There was a tremendous amount of asbestos and other materials that were pulverized. And asbestos, as we now know, resembles barbed wire when viewed under the microscope, and will definitely tear up a set of lungs. Hell, I quit smoking just recently and I've coughing and hacking more NOW, than I was when I smoked. It's just the process of my body eliminating all of that accumulated crud I inhaled into my lungs for years. Were these illnesses due to a chemical cause, it would impact more than just the lungs, IMO. And Doug's contention that workers were told not to wear their masks is ridiculous. I can't imagine a Union Representative around that would permit anyone to "demand" that their workers not wear protective gear. Hawk

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (203410)	9/18/2006 1:36:28 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

But sticking with the smoke for a while, my work in BP Oil used to involve what happens to fuel after it goes through an engine. What comes out is a chemical stew, commonly called "smoke". Bingo.. if it's anything, it's the particulates that may have been breathed in due to either removing masks (because they are hot). There was a tremendous amount of asbestos and other materials that were pulverized. And asbestos, as we now know, resembles barbed wire when viewed under the microscope, and will definitely tear up a set of lungs. Hell, I quit smoking just recently and I've coughing and hacking more NOW, than I was when I smoked. It's just the process of my body eliminating all of that accumulated crud I inhaled into my lungs for years. Were these illnesses due to a chemical cause, it would impact more than just the lungs, IMO. And Doug's contention that workers were told not to wear their masks is ridiculous. I can't imagine a Union Representative around that would permit anyone to "demand" that their workers not wear protective gear. Hawk