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To: TobagoJack who wrote (9425)	9/18/2006 9:24:21 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217728

Tibet was a nation? Which history text is that piece of fact from? Apparently not from a Chinese history text. I mean, let's face some facts here TJ.. If China wants to claim some kind of historical basis for asserting that Tibet is part of China, then the same could be said for Mongolia having a right to claim all of China. After all, the Mongols ruled BOTH China and Tibet for much of their recorded history. So what's next.. Annexing the Spratly Islands? So, now you are willing to consider the Iraq adventure on a scale with Germany in Poland, with some twists and turns? You made the analogy, I just showed you how ridiculous it was. Iraq is no longer "occupied". It stopped being when 11 million Iraqis went to the polls and elected their own government, and that government requested the continued presence of coalition forces. The minute the Iraqi government says leave, we should. ... but what if the guy is not a terrorist, but merely a resistance fighter in act of defiance against foreign invaders of his land, and helping to close the circle against the murderers of his grandchildren? The justification for being a "resistance fighter" ended when the Iraqi people voted for their first TRULY LEGITIMATE. Now, of couse, if you're a Sunni, and a former Ba'thist, then you probably feel quite justified in "resisting" since you've been thrown out of power. ... sorry, i am on money rock Hong Kong, answerable to no one, judged to be at freest point in this galaxy, by your heritage foundation, for good reasons. Yeah.. pre-1999, maybe.. But right now you're merely a convenient source of expertise in capital markets that the Communists in Bejing require. And you're a threat to the power of the ruling elite. All's well and good now because they need something from you. But go ahead and continue to believe that delusion.. And I hope you find the power to remain on top. But never delude yourself into believing that another "cultural revolution" can never take place. Especially when Bejing doesn't even want to acknowledge or discuss the original one. And just pray that a Typhoon never devastated Hong Kong.. Your deaths may never be acknowledged.. chinadaily.com.cn Hawk

To: TobagoJack who wrote (9425)	9/18/2006 11:11:29 PM
From: Amark$p	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217728

TJ, my vote goes for Tibet as a nation..., not much different than Nepal being a nation... If the UK would have recognized/acted in Tibet the same way as Nepal, then Tibet would be a nation.... "In 1765 the Gorkha ruler Prithvi Narayan Shah set out to unify the kingdoms, after first seeking arms and aid from Indian kings and buying the neutrality of bordering Indian kingdoms. After several bloody battles and sieges, he managed to unify Nepal three years later. This marked the birth of the modern nation of Nepal. A dispute and subsequent war with Tibet over control of mountain passes forced Nepal to retreat and pay heavy repatriations to China, who came to Tibet's rescue. Rivalry with the British East India Company over the annexation of minor states bordering Nepal eventually led to the brief but bloody Anglo-Nepalese War (1815–16), in which Nepal defended its present day borders but lost its territories west of the Kali River, including present day Uttaranchal state and several Punjab Hill States of present day Himachal Pradesh. The Treaty of Sugauli also ceded parts of the Terai and Sikkim to the Company in exchange for Nepalese autonomy. Factionalism among the royal family led to instability after the war. In 1846, a discovered plot to overthrow Jang Bahadur, a fast-rising military leader by the reigning queen, led to the Kot Massacre. Armed clashes between military personnel and administrators loyal to the queen led to the execution of several hundred princes and chieftains around the country. Bahadur won and founded the Rana lineage. The king was made a titular figure, and the post of Prime Minister was made powerful and hereditary. The Ranas were staunchly pro-British, and assisted the British during the Sepoy Rebellion in 1857, and later in both World Wars. In 1923 the United Kingdom and Nepal formally signed an agreement of friendship, in which Nepal's independence was recognised by the UK. In the late 1940s, emerging pro-democracy movements and political parties in Nepal were critical of the Rana autocracy. Meanwhile, China annexed Tibet in 1950, making India keen on stability in Nepal, to avoid an expansive military campaign. Thus India sponsored Tribhuvan as Nepal's new king in 1951, and a new government, mostly comprising the Nepali Congress Party. After years of power wrangling between the king and the government, the democratic experiment was dissolved in 1959, and a "partyless" panchayat system was made to govern Nepal. In 1989, the "Jan Andolan" (People's) Movement forced the monarchy to accept constitutional reforms and establish a multiparty parliament in May 1991. Nepali Congress Party wins first democratic elections. Girija Prasad Koirala becomes prime minister." also, this... tibet.com Britain's action that led to Tibet going to China: "In the Anglo-Russian Convention of 1907, Britain also recognized the "suzerainty of China over Thibet" and, in conformity with such admitted principle, engaged "not to enter into negotiations with Thibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government." Suzerainty is a situation in which a region or people is a tributary to a more powerful entity which allows the tributary some limited domestic autonomy but controls its foreign affairs." Morally, most of the world believes Tibet should be a nation, but practically I am not holding my breath waiting for China to give it up...