To: TobagoJack who wrote (9432 ) 9/18/2006 11:03:55 PM From: Hawkmoon Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217737 I think the Germans, with variation on a cheap theme, did the same machination in Hungary, and come to think of it, the Soviets same same, and that machination fools only the fools. Actually, the Hungarians, until 1944 as the Russians approached, were an ally of Germany, and still independent. The same with Rumania. Look up Otto Skorzeny and Operation: Panzerfaust.... you are hedging. Very unbecoming. Much more manly to simply admit, an invasion is just that, an invasion. Of course it was an invasion. We overthrew an brutal and illegitimate government which was repressing both the majority population and other minorities. A government which had invaded and brutally occupied another state in 1990, and failed to abide by the terms of the cease-fire that permitted them to avoid overthrown at that time. Operation Iraqi Freedom was no more than the fulfillment of what should have occured 12 years earlier after Desert Storm, when the Iraqis had no doubt in their mind that they had been truly defeated, not after 12 years of intransigence and playing games with the UN.... as Iraq slips into civil war, which of the many corrupt Iraqi authorities are you talking about. Civil war? So 4 million Sunnis are going to stand a chance against some 16-20 million Shi'a and Kurds hellbent on avoiding ever being dominated and oppressed again? This is insurgency conducted by Jihadists (many of who are now associated with Mujahidin Shura Council and/or Al Qai'da), attempting to replace the former Ba'thist regime, as well as the current government, with an Islamic state.The one that took a check from you? The one that needs a foreign army's protection in order to stay in power? Why don't you tell us all a bit about China's activities in Sudan?hrw.org genocidewatch.org How many soldiers do you think China will provide in any UNSC peace-keeping mission to stop the Darfur genocide? Hawk