To: TobagoJack who wrote (9456 ) 9/19/2006 10:20:37 AM From: Hawkmoon Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 217740 ... at what point will you concede that a civil war is full on. If you care to, and dare, define the point now, so that we can watch it approach. When I see more than one side raising actual military formations of armed soldiers which to defend any incursion from an opposing side. Mao's war against Chiang Kai-Shek was more than a mere insurgency. He commanded actual units, complete with uniforms and command structure, and actually engaged in combat against Chiang's forces. THAT'S a civil war... or what is also referred to in Military Science as "Medium Intensity Conflict (MIC) and we ain't there yet because the government still has the ability to force the enemy from being emboldened sufficiently to reveal themselves publicly. Thus, TJ.. until then, it's "low-intensity conflict" we're referring to, otherwise known as an insurgency..the invasion was not welcomed with roses on the sidewalks, resisted by more and more, because the invaders motives were not pure, Yeah.. in three primarily Sunni provinces we weren't very welcome. And in some Shi'a provinces the followers of Muqtada Al-Sadr didn't welcome us, but then again were his motive pure since he's trying to invoke the apocalypse and return of the Mahdi (which Ahmadinejad also aspires to do). ... you mean to say it is not possible thatthe population, with 51% majority, wish for a theocracy, ala Iran? While I would certainly prefer a secular democracy, where all non-violent religious creeds were equally respected/protected under the law, these religious parties in Iraq will always impart their "spiritual flavor" upon the government. Personally, I find Shi'a to be a bit more poltically savvy than most Sunnis, and they seem less technophobic and more progressive, as well as generally more tolerant and moderate. If they weren't, then the Sunnis would already have been thrown out of Iraq.Do you mean to say that we should now put democratic USA on the same level surface as China? So that makes it okay for China to provide weapons to the Sudanese so they can commit genocide against the residents of Darfur and steal their natural resources?? Two-Fifths of Sudanese oil reserves are located in Darfur and that Chinese supported government is attempting to eliminate them from the face of the earth. Doesn't that give you a warm and fuzzy feeling?In any case, China is providing 1000 troops to try to stop the genocide in Lebanon, and besides, Chinese troops are not torturing, raping and killing in Iraq. Yeah.. just wait until some Chinese soldiers are captured and beheaded by Hizbullah terrorists. Then we'll see how observant your soldiers are of unilaterally observing the Geneva Conventions with an enemy that doesn't neither recognizes, nor abides by, the GC. Hawk