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To: Rambi who wrote (179706)	9/19/2006 1:50:35 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 793931

The choice of descriptive words being used here is dismaying, since it indicates a readiness to move beyond dialogue-- but to what? This topic reminds me of Bill Cosby. Dialog where you can challenge takes time, a lot of time. Daniel Patrick Moynihan first mentioned the internal problems in ghetto culture fifty years ago. He was an outsider. His message not only didn't sink in, it was considered racist. Now Cosby (an insider) offers the same message and he gets beat up but not by everyone. The message has begun to sink in. Maybe in another generation the message will be the meme. Islam and the West have had a wake up call. The Pope has had a Moynihan moment. In a couple of generations, maybe some prominent Muslims will be pushing reformation. Maybe in another couple of generations it will be a mostly done deal. It's a long war. Meanwhile, we need to do practical things to protect ourselves from terrorist acts while we try to avoid clumsily handicapping the desired reform movement. Maturity may be defined as the ability to defer gratification.

To: Rambi who wrote (179706)	9/19/2006 1:53:10 PM
From: Murrey Walker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793931

...it indicates a readiness to move beyond dialogue-- but to what? Reciprocal hate and violence? "Bomb them all"? I had a chance to visit (not at a dinner party, but at the local farmer's market(g)) with a fellow who immigrated here 52 years ago from Greece. He was a mathematics professor who retired here in Branson. He talked about his travels throughout the Middle East. He was outspoken when I asked him what he thought we should do. "Bomb them. Not with 500 pound bombs, but the big one -- that's the only thing they'll understand". I don't subscribe to that position but there are those that do, and I can't say that they're wrong.