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To: Ilaine who wrote (1327)	9/20/2006 11:27:39 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

Bite any Pandas lately ... Panda Bites Man, Man Bites Him Back Associated Press Gu Gu, a six-year-old panda, eats near the entrance to its enclosure at Beijing Zoo Wednesday Sept. 20, 2006. Police were investigating Wednesday after Gu Gu bit a drunken Chinese tourist who jumped into the enclosure and tried to hug him on Tuesday. The tourist, Zhang Xinyan, then bit the panda during a struggle, before zookeepers were able to rescue the man. BEIJING — A drunken Chinese migrant worker jumped into a panda enclosure at the Beijing Zoo, was bitten by the bear and retaliated by chomping down on the animal's back, state media said Wednesday. Zhang Xinyan, from the central province of Henan, drank four jugs of beer at a restaurant near the zoo before visiting Gu Gu the panda on Tuesday, the Beijing Morning Post said. "He felt a sudden urge to touch the panda with his hand," and jumped into the enclosure, the newspaper said. The panda, who was asleep, was startled and bit Zhang, 35, on the right leg, it said. Zhang got angry and kicked the panda, who then bit his other leg. A tussle ensued, the paper said. "I bit the fellow in the back," Zhang was quoted as saying in the newspaper. "Its skin was quite thick." Other tourists yelled for a zookeeper, who got the panda under control by spraying it with water, reports said. Zhang was hospitalized. Newspaper photographs showed Zhang lying on a hospital bed with blood-soaked bandages and a seam of stitches running down his leg. The Beijing Youth Daily quoted Zhang as saying that he had seen pandas on television and "they seemed to get along well with people." "No one ever said they would bite people," Zhang said. "I just wanted to touch it. I was so dizzy from the beer. I don't remember much." Ye Mingxia, a spokeswoman for the Beijing Zoo, confirmed the incident happened but would not give any details. She said Gu Gu was "healthy." "We're not considering punishing him now," Ye said in a telephone interview. "He's suffered quite a bit of shock."

To: Ilaine who wrote (1327)	9/20/2006 11:31:04 AM
From: Ann Corrigan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

We're discussing a universe of over 2000 yrs of creeds. I would say that particular creed is rather obscure (or ancient?). As a life-long Catholic I've never ever read it. Keep in mind the Catholic church's ecumenical spirit has been alive and well for over half a century. The Nicene Creed is more familiar to me, and while searching for the text found the following--it's evidently more a "Christian" creed than identified with any one particular religion within Christianity. It's the Creed we were encouraged to learn as children: en.wikipedia.org Here it is: 1988 ecumenical version of the Nicene Creed: We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father; through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven, was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen Modern gender-neutrality Some Christian communions, in particular the World Council of Churches and the Presbyterian Church (USA), omit the word "men", and others substitute the word "all" , in the line "for us men and for our salvation..." This is considered a more gender-neutral translation of nos homines ("we men"). The frequency of usage of this variation is, however, unknown. "Homo" in Latin, however, usually means "man" in a gender-inclusive sense ("human being") — Latin "vir" means "man" in the restrictive masculine sense. However, gradually in Latin "homo" increasingly held a gender-specific connotation. The same is true of English. In Old English, "man" meant "human being", with "wer-man" and "wîf-man" meaning "man" and "woman" respectively. Old English "wer" is directly cognate with Latin "vir". The gender-neutrality issue is similarly muted in the original Greek: there the word "anthropoi" (humans or human beings) is used, as opposed to "andres" (men), or "gynaikes" (women). "Anthropoi" may be translated as "humans" or "men" in the gender-inclusive sense. The modern English-language controversy on gender-neutrality in the Creed is grounded in the broader dispute over whether it is acceptable to use "man" as a gender-inclusive term.