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To: Richnorth who wrote (2023)	9/29/2006 12:22:42 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

>>How low do we go? Quoting the NIE report, "The Iraq conflict has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement." You want to know what this estimate would say if Saddam was still in power? It would read, "The Afghan conflict has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement." You want to know what this estimate would say if the Taliban were still in power? It would read, "America's support for the Musharref regime in Pakistan has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement. And if Musharref was gone? It would read, "America's military assistance to Israel in its conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement." And if Israel was gone? It would read, "America's emergency support to the Mubarek regime has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement." And if the Muslim Brotherhood controlled Egypt? It would read, "America's rescue of the House of Saud has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement." And if the Salafi jihadists got control of Saudi Arabia? It would read, "America's support to Iran in the emerging conflict with the Salafi jihadist front of Arab states has become the 'cause celebre' for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement." Is there anyone out there naive enough to believe the Salafi jihadist movement has ever been without a 'cause celebre'? How low would we need to go to avoid pissing off the Salafi jihadists? To stop their women-hating, bloodthirsty reign of terror desired to enslave as much of the world as possible? I'm with Hitchens on this one. Let's give 'em a 'cause celebre' every day of the week. Posted by Thomas P.M. Barnett at 6:53 PM \| Comments (17) \| Email this post thomaspmbarnett.com

To: Richnorth who wrote (2023)	9/29/2006 12:54:54 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

His predictions don't seem ridiculous to me. I'm not surprised. No doubt, Bush and his Neocons must be feeling very embarrassed and humiliated and frustrated by their failure in Afghanistan, Iraq and in Lebanon Iraq and esp. Afghanistan can't be reasonably called failures/losses. As for Lebanon what failure are you talking about? it is not inconceivable that Bush and his Neocons will nuke Iran in order to salvage a modicum of pride and to save face for America. Lots of things are "not inconceivable". That expression doesn't mean a lot. As for nukes saving face that isn't very likely. Nuking Iran does not necessarily mean exploding a megaton doomsday bomb over Iran. Rather, I believe several relatively small precision-guided tactical nukes will be used against key nuclear sites. If we do nuke them it would probably be small yield nukes, but much more likely than that is a large scale conventional bombing campaign, and probably still more likely is no attack at all.