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To: Broken_Clock who wrote (3701)	10/1/2006 10:30:09 PM
From: alan w	Respond to of 5569

because in the end Jesus will reign in heaven with all reconciled to him? Speak to Paul about it. He wrote it, not me. alan w PS: "in the end" Jesus will not reign. He will subject Himself to God the Father, that God may be All in all. That's more scripture you probably don't believe.

To: Broken_Clock who wrote (3701)	10/1/2006 10:43:38 PM
From: alan w	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5569

in the end Jesus will reign in heaven with all reconciled to him?....That nullifies the entire birth, death, resurrection of Jesus and makes him out to be a liar and masochist. If you could really understand, the death and resurrection of Christ is the only reason all will be reconciled to Him. Nullifies? Hardly. Without Christ's work on the cross, absolutely no one would be reconciled, much less all. Jesus a liar? Careful here. God said that through Him, the world might be saved (John 3:17). We know that we live in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father sent his Son to be the Savior of the World." (1 John 4:13,14) Sincerely ask yourself...will God's Son fail? Masochist? How so? Have a good week This_is_the_end. alan w

To: Broken_Clock who wrote (3701)	10/2/2006 8:51:55 AM
From: alan w	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 5569

OK, here is my answer to your direct question. The reason why serial murders, pedophiles and other sickos are welcomed as equals with faithful martyrs of history in heaven is because they will also be changed by Jesus Christ (ie they won't be serial murderers, pedophiles and other sickos any more, just as those so called faithful martyrs won't be committing any more of the sins they were guilty of all their lives). You see their sins were paid for on the cross too. I know they're not near as good as you, but you'll still have to rub elbows with people who were sinners during their lives. These people are just like you and I except for the order of their salvation. As in Adam, all are dying, even so in Christ shall all be vivified, but each in his own order. Their timing differs from yours. You see, Christ is the Savior of all men, to be testified in due time. It's a shame for someone like you so unacquainted with sin to have to spend eternity with reformed trash, but Jesus was sent for the worst. alan w PS: And get ready for this. Saul of Tarsus will be there too. He is the worst of the worst. He called himself the chief of sinners under inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Maybe you can talk to Jesus about it and get Paul sent away also.

To: Broken_Clock who wrote (3701)	10/2/2006 9:19:40 AM
From: JeffA	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 5569

So you believe in the end Jesus created this world, free will, etc. just a s a ludicrous game...it matters not how we treat each other because in the end Jesus will reign in heaven with all reconciled to him? I'm confused by your question. Are you saying that if the worst of human Society, Hitler or worse, were to come to accept Jesus as his saviour, request forgiveness for all his sins, and ultimately be born again, that he would not be welcomed into heaven alongside of you or I?