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To: one_less who wrote (79735)	10/4/2006 3:24:03 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

911 was a shock and with or without available terrorist information all politicians were taken by surprise. No, 911 was not a shock to Bush and his Neocons! Nor was it a shock to the Dems. Simply because Osama had vowed he would retaliate in spectacular fashion soon after a cruise missile meant to kill him landed (fortunately for him, unexploded) about 50 yards from the mouth of his cave, and US forces continued to maintain their defiling presence in Saudi Arabia's holy places and elsewhere in the Middle East. And ever since then, true to his word, there were attacks --- attacks on the Cole and American Embassies in Africa, and the spectre of yet more attacks ever loomed large over the horizon. So, your saying that 911 came as a shock is downright silly, to say the least! 911 was not a shock event to those in power. To most of the people in the US, 911 might have been a shock. That is probably accurate in view of the fact that the government-compliant media has, over the years, been dumbing down the American public. There now exists evidence to suggest that the powers that be aided the jihadists' spectacular plan all the way to its culmination. For example, German intelligence had discovered that the Mossad was aiding the jihadists and this fact has not been challenged, refuted and debunked to this date. No wonder Mossad agents were seen high-fiving one another on 911 when the WTC Towers were hit! As Israel is an ally of the US, it is evident that the US knew of 911 well in advance and had rendered covert assistance to the would-be "hijackers". For more information on apparent US complicity in 911, you will find them aplenty at various locations on the internet. BTW, the official 9/11 Commission Report is full of discrepancies and the explanations it gives for various events that occurred on 9/11 are at odds with the facts and scientific principles. .

To: one_less who wrote (79735)	10/4/2006 4:45:27 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

>>Rice has already responded to that in recent intervies. I find her to be an intelligent and credible person. Priority is a measurement that gives some issues weight in relation to others. I'd say prior to 911 that this administration had given terrorism a weight that was at least equivalent to the previous administration and greater than the administrations of Presidencies befor that. Since 911, they have given it a much greater priority than previous administrations.<< RCG - So you accept Rice's denials at face value, despite the fact that at least four credible witnesses tell a different story. It's your right to believe who you want to believe. My own feeling is that she is so loyal to President Bush that she would say anything to protect his reputation. At a minimum, you would have to admit that she has ample reason to conveniently not remember certain things. I don't see how as a matter of fact the Bush administration could be considered to be "giving terrorism a weight that was at least equivalent to the previous administration." Clinton had ordered Bin Laden's death, had ordered specific strikes against Al Qaeda, had narrowly missed actually killing Bin Laden and other top Al Qaeda leaders, and had had invasion plans drawn up for Afghanistan to prepare for the ouster of the Taliban. In contrast, the Bush administration did not even hold one single meeting on the subject of terrorism or Al Qaeda prior to 9/11. >>911 was a shock and with or without available terrorist information all politicians were taken by surprise. We expect them to be on top of things because that is what they get paid for, however we also expect them to conduct themselves as most reasonable persons would in their place. Prior to 911, reasonable people in the USA would have been appalled if the govt began rounding up suspicious acting foriegn college students. After 911 most reasonable people see things differently, so its not surprising that some of us look back and wish things could have gone differently in the run up to 911.<< Yes, I do understand very well that terrorism per se was not anywhere near as close to the top of the public's or the government's agenda prior to 9/11, which only makes sense. It was always on a fairly limited scale, and always far away. I was in New York on 9/11, and I know what a shock it was. I am not looking back and wishing things had gone differently. I am just sick of hearing conservatives say that Clinton didn't do enough, and that only the Republicans can keep us safe. In my view, the Republicans have a terrible record with respect to their response to terrorism, and have made us less safe. Unless we view the past in a realistic light, we can not have much hope of dealing well with the present and future. - Allen