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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (9902)10/7/2006 3:23:26 PM
From: Maurice Winn  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 218614
 
Hawk, they got 3 things wrong.

First, the obsession with the Olympic Games is over-rated. Sure, it's interesting. But it's trivial overall. It is NOT driving China to any extent. Every time there's a mention of China, the Olympic Games pops up to explain how pressured they are over it. They are not. It's just some stupid physical games people play. Running around, lifting heavy things, jumping, riding bicycles quickly and swimming much much slower than dolphins, which can also do big jumps and flips and pirouettes in the air, while swimming. Dolphins aren't so good at weight-lifting, and riding bicycles, but neither are human swimmers.

But they got this part right:
<Let CHINA pay off any bribes to N. Korea. They can spend some of those tremendous dollar reserves they have collected from their trade surplus with the US.>

Except that China doesn't mind North Korea having nukes as it's a nice counterweight in regard to Taiwan. If things get hot in Taiwan, China and North Korea can lean on South Korea, which is conveniently located just over the border. I think they are more in unison than they let on. Just as the USA has nuke-armed Britain and France on their side, China might as well have nuke armed North Korea to keep South Korea in check [not to mention Japan and the USA].

It seems dopey to even think of bribing North Korea to not test nukes.

Here's a big wrong idea:
<Btw, what do you think about the premise, contained in the following article, that suggests that the Yuan was undervalued by 33%>

The yuan is NOT undervalued. It won't be revalued 33% or even 32%. What will happen is that China can avoid hassling people via taxation by the simple expedient [as Helicopter Ben said] of spraying money around. Except that they don't need to just throw it out of helicopters. Government spending can be done by way of freshly-printed kwai. If the theory is correct that the currency is under-valued by 30%, then they can print a LOT of money.

When, not if, China does what I say, [which they are no doubt doing already], it will cause inflation. Prices will rise, incomes will rise, interest rates will rise [though perversely, they might not, due to a lot of money sloshing around looking for somewhere to go - initially anyway, until people holding money realize they are being diluted and that they should own assets, not cash]. China will now be getting wage and salary increases as the population gets wealthier and competition for workers increases as Made in China continues to grow rapidly.

The other wrong idea is that there is a real estate "bubble". It's not a bubble. It's a repricing, which is sensible. 3 years ago I went to Beijing and spent quite a bit of time and $1000 investigating buying a penthouse apartment or two near Beijing train station is an upmarket area. It would have cost me NZ$170,000 and with fitting out would have been about NZ$200,000 for a very sumptuous accommodation right there in the heart of Beijing. In Tokyo, it would be worth NZ$4 million. That's a LOT of revaluation required to balance economic forces.

Beijing is the HQ of the world's most productive place in tonnage of stuff produced. It is also the HQ of the biggest country on Earth, using one language [written anyway]. My apartment [which I decided not to buy as it was all too much of a rush and I had to fly back to NZ before I could get it all done] should be worth at least as much as the Tokyo equivalent if China continues to develop [due to simple supply demand balancing].

Mqurice



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (9902)10/8/2006 3:46:30 AM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 218614
 
<<Sociopathic behavior and a leaning toward political and economic self-destruction is amusing??>>

... yes, especially since nothing much can be done, and so might as well enjoy it

<<what do you think about the premise, contained in the following article, that suggests that the Yuan was undervalued by 33%>>

... why not 50%, 70%, 0%, or RMB is actually over-valued against the dollar? Based on what?

Gold on the streets of Beijing cost 20% more at current exchange rate to the dollar (cost USD spot price plus 20%), and so one might reason that RMB is over-valued against the USD in a rather objective way.

Besides, RMB at 50% revaluation against the USD will not make any difference to China export to USA, but make some difference to China butying of USA if USA was actually for sale (oil companies, etc), which is apparently forbidden.

Since the F22 is also not for sale, no trade re-balancing will happen to make any difference. The RMB would buy more T-bills, which is perhaps not what Schumer & co has in mind.

China is not export savings via goods. China is accumulating savings via export of goods; how else can one explain a trillion reserve?

<<Should there be a major economic collapse of China's speculative bubble ...>>

... China is undergoing once in a 800 years reform, is satisfying a 600 year pent-up demand for roads, airport, dams, etc, and so there is a construction frenzy, but hardly a speculation bubble. All the real estate space is and will be taken up, as it has for the last quarter century.

China can be compared to USA 1905/1920, and when doing so, all becomes much easier to comprehend.

<<Guess I should keep my eye on WMT as a potential short after the 2008 Olympics (because Bejing will continue to prop up their economy and permit the madness to continue at least until then)>>

... WMT may be a good short, though I doubt it. I think the high ends are good shorts, and the low end will become more and more essential for living in the USA.

As to China slowdown in 2008, I think the opposite, in that once the constrait of putting a good show on is done, the nation can get back to building things other than sports stadiums and apartments in the several key cities.

I note that now even the little inland smaller cities are getting private enterprising, and the effects is behginning to show. Further, the critical mass of per capita income by 2008 in certain cities (Shanghai, Guanzhou, Xiamen, etc) will allow for 'next leg up' infrastructure construction that has an environmentally friendly bent.

It is difficult to satisfy a 600 years pentup demand within 2 years, or 20, or 200.

j

p.s. the amount of capital waiting to enter china, piling up at the border, especially here in hk, is mind bending. but the officialdom policy of discouraging such money will keep events calm for a bit longer. The piled up funds, along with prospecting investors, will eventually find a way or be allowed in. Such money can hardly said to be 'hot money' since China has a closed capital account, and any money getting in cannot easily get out.

You must start from a new premise, that the growth story is (i) genuine, (ii) once in every 800 years, (iii) awesome, (iv) transformational, and (v) not a 'bubble'; else your analysis will continue to be faulty, and your expectations never be met.

Think about it, (i) how many societies would have survived a TianAnMen Incident year with 5% GDP growth, and (ii) how many nations can come to a SARS full-stop for 6 months and not have riots?

Not New Orleans.



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (9902)10/8/2006 5:03:25 AM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 218614
 
regarding us-china trade balance and exchange rate of moolah, the view ought to be that ...

(i) american homes are being transformed, via leverage (i.e. american credit) and globalization, into chinese infrastructure and productive assets

(ii) american jobs are being transformed, via fiat money inflation and officialdom business-unfriendly red tape, into chinese jobs

and so, thus, (iii) american credit is being transformed into chinese capital, with chinese capital being turned into american obligations (claims on future american income)

given the awesome amount of fiat money inflation engendered by the american financial industry, and the insatiable demand for capital of the chinese manufacturing industry, the paper money inflation, when recycled via trade and t-bill feedback loop, still allows for a low interest rate, due to 'too much excess savings looking for a home' nonsense

my comment regarding above manifest facts is that we must enjoy the process, for it will stop, eventually