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To: Don Earl who wrote (16655)	10/14/2006 4:41:40 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

Torah-true Jews wish to live in peace and harmony with their neighbors in every country among the community of nations, including in historic Palestine. They deplore acts and policies of violence carried out by those who, misusing the name of Israel our forefather, have substituted the ideal of chauvinist nationalism for the eternal values of the Torah, the eternal divinely bestowed inheritance of the Jewish people. Excerpted from: jewsagainstzionism.com Well, all that is well and good, Reb Earl... but there's a French witticism that goes like this: Une hirondelle ne fait pas le printemps... One swallow doesn't make a summer. How strong are your so-called "Torah-true Jews"? Do you think they outnumber members of the CPUSA()? Gus () cpusa.org

To: Don Earl who wrote (16655)	10/17/2006 9:37:13 PM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

Try this one: jewsagainstzionism.com; No different than the link I already provided you from Neturei Karta. These are Talmudists and Kabalists, as they readily admit on their website. Furthermore, just as I already demonstrated with Neturei Karta, they are LIARS. They are not anti-Zionists like they would have you believe. They just oppose the current expressions of Zionism. This doesn't mean they are not Zionists, it just means they are Zionists of a different bent. I will prove it to you with quotes directly from their website. jewsagainstzionism.com We have been forsworn by G-d "not to enter the Holy Land as a body before the predestined time", "not to rebel against the nations", to be loyal citizens, not to do anything against the will of any nation or its honour, not to seek vengeance, discord, restitution or compensation; "not to leave exile ahead of time." (Talmud Tractate Ksubos p. 111a). To violate the oaths is not only a sin, it is a heresy because it is against the fundamentals of our Belief. Only through complete repentance will the Almighty alone, without any human effort or intervention, redeem us from exile. This will be after G-d will send the prophet Elijah and Moshiach who will induce all Jews to complete repentance. At that time there will be universal peace. By "Moshiach" they mean their false Messiah, the Antichrist. As I clearly told you once before, these Jews are NOT anti-Zionist. They simply believe that Jews must wait for the Antichrist to manifest himself to the world before the Jews can be gathered into the land. This is NOT anti-Zionist. It is ANTICHRIST.