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To: TimF who wrote (3306)	10/21/2006 9:19:19 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10087

Not long ago you and I had a discussion on another thread about drawing a bright line at ideas that were absurd. Flat-earth, I think I called them. Do we as a society respect equally any nonsense that folks choose to espouse or is there some point in the reasonableness continuum at which we no longer have to give it full respect? And if we choose to not give it full respect, how do we express that less than full respect? Obviously you and I would agree that we don't criminalize it nor do we even stifle speaking it. But then what? That article mentioned the scenario of a reporter providing balance. Does a reporter need to balance any report that mentions 9/11, for example, with someone who thinks it was Bush and not AQ that did it? Does that reporter need to balance reports with holocaust deniers or climate change deniers? Surely not. Surely we can draw a line somewhere.

To: TimF who wrote (3306)	10/24/2006 2:29:54 AM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	Respond to of 10087

They now have ice core samples from Antarctica that allow for analysis as far back as 800,000 years.. That ought to be a good enough figure to extrapolate back to say the beginning of large land lifeforms at least ? ... heck that's only what 240 million years give or take ?

To: TimF who wrote (3306)	10/24/2006 8:56:35 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 10087

It's a damn good thing it's not happening,or we would be in real trouble. It’s so warm plants think spring is here Jon Ungoed-Thomas and Yuba Bessaoud Blossoms baffle gardeners THE weather really is going haywire. Britain’s gardeners are reporting the first signs of a “phantom spring” in the midst of one of the warmest Octobers on record. Message 22934336 Cracking up: Ice turning to water, glaciers on the move - and a planet in peril A new study proves it was global warming that sent an Antarctic ice shelf larger than Luxembourg crashing into the ocean. Geoffrey Lean reports Message 22934368 Gravity satellites see ice loss the BBC Online Much of the ice is being lost from southeast Greenland Greenland is currently losing about 100 billion tonnes of ice a year. Message 22928119 British wildlife head north as planet warms by Elodie Mazein Fri Oct 20, 5:33 AM ET LONDON (AFP) - Biologists have discerned a mass migration of fauna over the past 25 years as animals try to outrun global warming by heading for cooler climes in the north. Message 22927717 Disturbing Yosemite BY KENNETH BROWER A century ago, biologist Joseph Grinnell began tracking the animals of Yosemite. Using his work and new surveys, his successors have uncovered massive and permanent changes in the park. .... "The scramble for higher ground is typical of animal behavior in a flood, but in this case the cause seems to be something like the opposite. the line james baldwin lifted from the old spiritual, seems to apply: “god gave noah the rainbow sign/no more water, the fire next time.” few in the scientific community doubt that the retraction of populations upward is a reaction to global warming." alumni.berkeley.edu