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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Ichy Smith who wrote (53143)	11/7/2006 4:45:59 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Why should Churches or other religious organizations be income or property tax exempt, or donations be considered for charitable deductions. If that's what you want, you should seek to achieve that end via legislation rather than impose your views judicially, which is what I am sure will be attempted eventually. I can certainly see churches using any public park for picnics as long as they pay the same fee everyone else does, why not? Public parks don't charge fees for things like cookouts or picnics. I've attended church group cookouts in parks. If a Gay young man grows up in the Boy Scouts, and becomes a leader just like all his friends, why should he not be accorded the same rights? I'm talking about adults who lead groups of young people on Scout outings, almost alwasy a parent. The BSA is being villified and sued by the ACLU, has been kicked off of military bases (where people and their families live) and I don't know what else, over a gay guy in NJ (James Dale) in his 20's with no children who just wants to be a scout leader cause he wants to and its discrimination becuase he was refused. Example: Friday, September 15, 2006 “For Boy Scouts, speech is no longer free in Berkeley.” Boy Scouts filed a friend of the court brief with the Supreme Court of the United States this week supporting the reversal of the California Supreme Court's decision in Evans v. Berkeley. As Boy Scouts explained in its brief, “For Boy Scouts, speech is no longer free in Berkeley.” Following Boy Scouts’ victory in Curran v. Mount Diablo Council before the California Supreme Court in 1998, the City of Berkeley decided to punish a group of Sea Scouts by revoking their free use of berth space in the City marina. City Councilmembers made clear that they wanted to punish the Sea Scouts in an effort to change Boy Scouts of America’s constitutionally-protected membership policies. One Councilmember went so far as to state that the Sea Scouts should make it “explicit that they are willing to recruit homosexuals and atheists” in order to keep the free berthing. The City ultimately wrote to the Sea Scouts that they were being excluded from the berthing program because they “were associated with the national Boy Scouts of America.” People who desire to abuse young people are drawn to organizations like this and the Scouts and similar organizations have good cause to bar people from positions where they deal with children on grounds of inappropriateness. If anyone who wants to volunteer be a boy or girl scout troop leader should be allowed to, there would be no way to prevent would be abusers from taking the positions. BTW, why should anyone have a right to be a scout leader? ------------------------------------------- So let us do away with any legal rights for marriage and make it a totally religious institution. Other than while there are young children in the home, there really is no reason that married couples cannot pay for any costs as it they were both single. Why should some people's lives be supported on the backs of everyone else? Certainly when people are bringing up children they need societies help, but once the children are in school all day, there is no reason that wives cannot financially contribute. So a family rate for things like health care should be 2 singles and a discount for the kids.... Like I said before, if you want this work for it legislatively. Don't work to impose your opinions using lawsuits as a club. But that's what happens and what will happen re. gay marriage - you can see that because of the way the lawsuits they've been bringing up to now. More sham than the institution that brings us women's shelters and children's aid societies and courts chasing people to fulfill their obligations to their families, and skyrocketting divorce rates and child porn and married men sneaking around to prostitutes of both genders and priests molesting children and, well you get my drift. I do get your drift. Once again, as I mentioned in my first post, someone argues in favor of gay marriage by trashing and heaping scorn on the institution of marriage as it exists. If you despise marriage, renounce it in your own life. If you're married, get a divorce. If you have children, tell them never to get married. And so on. But leave the rest of us alone. Frankly marriage is an expensive hobby and is costing us millions to finance because of the shady character of the people involved. Far better to get rid of it. Our society is only now learning to deal with spousal abuse, it is costing us a fortune to deal with the present fruits of marriage, can adding to the base actually do that much harm. You're neglecting to consider the vast good that marriage does for most people. Most marriages don't involve spouse or child abuse. The statistics for marriage will improve, gay partners don't beat each other at least in a rage they don't, Of course they do. Gay people are just as capable of violence and abuse as anyone. What, you think they are a bunch of saints or something? so no increase in women's shelters, and if they stay together it may reduce the divorce stats. Preliminary indications are they won't stay together anymore than normal people. That's neither here nor there for me - you'll note I didn't use that as an argument. And at least in some places children will see rational examples of human life and not the wretched parodies played out in many homes. Once more you are assuming gay people are all gentle saints and normal people are all weirdos with "wretched parodies". That is a strange opinion and completely unwarranted.