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To: JDN who wrote (185587)	11/8/2006 5:42:41 AM
From: John Carragher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794214

curt weldon would have won accept fbi raided his daughters house three or four days before election. the investigation is you had to go through his daughter lobby office which she set up to get to him. She made a $1,000,000. or processed that amount in first year without any experience. this killed any chance he had. Most of the ads in pa against reps were all tied to Bush yes, men, change washington. Democrats effectively used the hate for bush to gain seats. i assume the senate also goes Democrat?

To: JDN who wrote (185587)	11/8/2006 1:25:38 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Respond to of 794214

Lindy Bill, although you politely asked me to post elsewhere a few years ago, I hope you'll forgive this one intrusion. Jdn, re: "To me, thats nothing but spin. Lets call a SPADE A SPADE, El Quiada and the Democrats WON THIS ELECTION. My hats off to the terrorists, they played the democratic voters like a piano. This war on Terror is now LOST IMHO, now all thats left is to SAVE OUR OWN BEHINDS. Goodbye, Iraq, Goodbye Middle East, Goodbye Pakistan, in 5 years Goodbye France, Goodbye Spain and maybe Goodbye Great Britian. All thats left now is to go to BUCHANON POLITICS and build FORTRESS AMERICA. The USA is no longer that shining beacon on the hill. jdn Yes, Jdn, Goodbye Canada, Goodbye Mexico, Goodbye China, Goodbye the Catholic church, Goodbye Baptists, SOB, SOB, Goodbye all that's good and right in the world. In a world of black and white, good and evil, them and us, America voted for BLACK, EVIL and (gasp) THEM. Or did we? Maybe we voted for some of US, some of us who see things differently, more clearly, less rigidly and more realistically. The scared shitless, for us or agin us, the sky is falling and we need to sacrifice liberty for safety crowd has done much for this country. They've spent thousands of lives and billions of dollars in an Iraq war that's destabilized the mid east, given a rocket boost to the ideology of violent terrorism, given legitimacy to radical Islamicists and trained up tens of thousands of jihadist nuts. The use of oppressive tactics on the other side of the world doesn't win hearts and minds, doesn't cure radicalism and doesn't make America or the world more civilized or more safe. Left to continue this headlong charge into idiocy the proponents of the last few year's policies might well have made their prophecy of a world in chaos come to fruition. Americans have said, very clearly, "stop being so damn blind and start working smart." Voices like those of Jim Baker who tried to warn off W from his fatally flawed strategies for years will now have the backing of the House and, probably, the Senate. That's a good thing. Alternative strategies have not yet been fully articulated. In terms of such differing policies by our elected leaders, it may be time for you to lose the certainty that there's only one right way...your way...and that every other way is not only wrong but disloyal and guaranteed to send the world to a hellish end. That is, after all, the kind of watchful waiting that's required when you become a minority voice in a democracy. Trust me, I know. in this democracy I've been one of the watchful waiting minority voices for 6 long years. Ed

To: JDN who wrote (185587)	11/8/2006 1:53:55 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794214

Calm down, nothing much has changed. I don't think people in France will be thinking they are going anywhere. They run their own place. I think Britain, aka United Kingdom, no longer Great, and Little England aren't in particular trouble either, other than how Enoch Powell pointed out decades ago and the Japanese have avoided, despite doomsters waving shrouds and saying how with their declining population they are in big big trouble and will need massive immigration to save them. Which they don't. NZ has only 4 million and we are okay. Japan has 120 million. Britain's problems internally arose because of the state serf approach to citizenship and British Subjects, combined with their excellent ideas on human rights. Britain had to excommunicate the British Empire as the swarms started flooding in. Japan won't have that problem as their empire never got going and they are still highly civilized. One doesn't feel in danger of being attacked walking around Japan. The greatest danger to the USA is internal, not the evil-doers in Afghanistan and Iraq. Building fortress America won't protect the USA against themselves. NZ is automatically a fortress, with a huge ocean around us and no borders. Mexicans can't just hop the fence. But we are self-destructing, voting for more of the same each election, with our GDP per capita having shrunk from 3rd in the world decades ago to a nasty, violent little place full of burglary, welfare bludging and a kleptocratic suffocatocracy. We soon won't be allowed fireworks at all [Guy Fawkes night won't be the same - and parliament will be safe from us]. Doomed from without, lost within, I can see that you might think the USA is in trouble. But it's not really that bad. So Islamic Jihad and Iraqi nationalism and tribal competing interests are beating the USA in Iraq - not surprising really and not a big deal [other than for those directly destroyed or damaged]. Osama is still on the go. It certainly seems to have been a bad idea to invade Iraq though there have been some achievements. Saddam isn't funding Palestinian suicide bomber families. Uday and Qusay won't be doing any more vicious stuff. Uday's party days are over. The USA has had an excellent live ammunition training ground and equipment test laboratory. Having the oil off the market is no big deal if you believe global warming doomsters and might be considered a good thing by some, pushing oil prices [and oil company profits] higher and making "sustainable alternatives" economic. The USA also dealt with those dreaded WMDs. Remember them? The reason for the war. Launching in 40 minutes. "Gas! Gas!! Gas!!!" Who supplied that stuff again? Rumsfeld in the 1980s wasn't it. What's he doing these days? Oh, he has quit his job running the war on Iraq [which has voted in polls for the USA to leave]. Democracy isn't in Iraq, but it's in the USA still. Now for the Democrats to muck things up. Maybe Nancy Pelosi will be the first President lacking a Y chromosome, not Condoleezza or Hillary. Politics has moved over the century. Women didn't used to have the vote 100 years ago [in NZ they did, but in the land of the free they didn't]. Now they have the vote. The political divide has gradually moved. It used to be left and right, it is increasingly becoming X chromosome versus Y chromosome. I think politics in a world where conquest isn't a good idea and the war is economically a bad thing, without lots of spare young males to act as cannon fodder and to tote pikes and swords, is like running a household. It's more of a woman's world. Blokes should be rampaging in cyberspace, out on the frontier, as always. Women should be in the house, not men. NZ is well ahead of the USA on that. We even have a trans-sexual bloke and some homosexual blokes in parliament, trying to be ladies to fit in. The rest of us are hen-pecked, and mummified, taxed and banned from the house. You'll find us in our sheds and in cyberspace. Nancy Pelosi will soon be hen-pecking the USA. Fred as in fredoneverything.net has already fled to Mexico. It's the end of the world as we know it. Which is not such a bad thing. Mqurice