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To: TimF who wrote (4493)	11/10/2006 10:26:51 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

":but I don't think we should try to base our actions on the delusions of others." Why not? We have been for the last 6 years. Things to do, #143; it's Hammer time. Defund the R's; the Hammer set the rules. Karma is sweet. One way was to start ensuring that the new GOP agenda of radical deregulation, tax and spending cuts, and generally reducing government earned the financial support they thought it deserved. In 1995, DeLay famously compiled a list of the 400 largest PACs, along with the amounts and percentages of money they had recently given to each party. Lobbyists were invited into DeLay's office and shown their place in "friendly" or "unfriendly" columns. ("If you want to play in our revolution," DeLay told The Washington Post, "you have to live by our rules.") Another was to oust Democrats from trade associations, what DeLay and Norquist dubbed "the K Street Strategy." Sometimes revolutionary zeal got the better of them. One seminal moment, never before reported, occurred in 1996 when Haley Barbour, who was chairman of the Republican National Committee, organized a meeting of the House leadership and business executives. "They assembled several large company CEOs and made it clear to them that they were expected to purge their Washington offices of Democrats and replace them with Republicans," says a veteran steel lobbyist. The Republicans also demanded more campaign money and help for the upcoming election. The meeting descended into a shouting match, and the CEOs, most of them Republicans, stormed out. washingtonmonthly.com

To: TimF who wrote (4493)	11/10/2006 1:32:28 PM
From: Kevin Rose	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10087

I don't think PR is our problem. Forget Iraq, let's look at Afghanistan. We had a lot of world support for going in their and cleaning out that nest of vipers. We did our usual great job at invading, and made a lot of promises about what would happen next. Then: boom, Iraq is story 1, and Afghanistan festers and rots. It now has the seen record poppy production, the country is far from rebuilt, our puppet is isolated in the capital, and the Taliban is making a comeback. Rumors are that bin Laden is back in the country. People look at that and think that the US is one of two things: liars or incompetent. Which is it? And don't get me started on the 'Coalition of the Willing'. Outside of Britain, there has been no significant contribution by other nations. Yes, some have sent some minimal forces, and lost good men, but overall we are really paying the show, both financially and militarily. Contrast that to the vast coalition that Bush 41 put together. I remember thinking that Bush 41 was moving awfully slow in building up the coalition and in the air campaign, and that he made a mistake in not taking over the whole country. Turns out that Father really does Know Best.