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To: TimF who wrote (53473)	11/14/2006 12:24:22 PM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

"Donations to Churches are tax deductible. Churches don't pay tax on income or property tax." Does not equal "passing the costs of ones religious beliefs on to those of us without a religious affiliation." If Bob takes money from Mary, but not Bill, Mary isn't charging Bill or passing costs off to Bill. The fact that its the government doesn't change things In fact, Since the tax bill needs to be paid, those who are not Religious lack a tax dodge that the religious have. So they pay taxes that the Religious community does not. Since the Religious community doesn't pay property or income tax, the money going in to Churches is lost to the taxman. Also in order to provide public services to Church properties, every single property tax owner pays extra, since the Church pays nothing. I did not bring James Dale into the conversation, and he happened to be the subject of the conversation. I felt he had done nothing wrong, but had been penalized as if he had. OTOH I fully support the execution of Priests who sexually abuse children, I just think that if James Dale had done nothing wrong, he should not have been tossed out of the Scouts. In this case, any parent who even suspects that their child might be Gay should avoid any contact with Boy Scouts. As for the Girl Scouts thing, there are lots of Lesbians in the world. A closer analogy would actually be single women. My point was an is that the BSA's policy should be on a case by case basis and not a blanket condemnation of a specific group of people. Didn't they used to do that to Blacks, Jews, and Orientals.....

To: TimF who wrote (53473)	11/15/2006 10:11:19 AM
From: mph	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 90947

I've been reading the conversation about subsidizing, etc. The entire tax system is an instrument of social architecture, imo. Some activities are encouraged, others are not. If people want to talk about some real injustice, how about employers, and large ones in particular, who regularly employ illegal immigrants? They get a break in reduced wages, often don't withhold or pay their share of payroll taxes, and provide no benefits. So who pays for the health care of these workers? You guessed it. The taxpayer. It's a serious problem in California and L.A. County in particular. (I'm referring to utilization of county health facilities to the tune of around a billion, e.g..) Nancy Pelosi and her husband are likely major offenders in this area. Their interests include vineyards and related businesses in Northern CA. They employ at least 900 people. They don't run a union shop despite Nancy's contingent of union support. I would bet money that among those employed in her vineyards are illegal immigrants. At one time having a nanny on whose behalf payroll taxes were unpaid was an offense precluding appointment to public office. Now we'll have a Nancy Pelosi third in line to the Presidency. That's something to chew on while she's thinking up all these investigations to be conducted in the next two years.....