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To: mistermj who wrote (209336)	11/28/2006 2:46:26 PM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I think most people are against the enslavement model. Bush could let loose a couple of divisions and free the enslaved people of communist Israel. Cheney could whip up an American frenzy by telling the American people about the human trafficking in Israel, the corruption of the Israeli government. He could really get the conservatives up in arms if he talked about the oppressive taxes on the slaves. Why is it that we give the communist regime of Israel $4b/year anyway? jttmab

To: mistermj who wrote (209336)	11/28/2006 2:50:46 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 281500

If or when our situation requires such a universal commitment by 18-20 year olds, it should require something of an equally substantial consequence of the rest of us. Until or unless we reach that point, I will stand totally against the draft. I don't believe we are anywhere close to that yet. The current models are designed to embroil millions of kids who lack the cultural maturity and affluence to make such commitments. It is bound to cause an anti-military social upheaval in this country and create a wave of resentment world wide. Rangel's thinking is that if you force people who are not inclined to volunteer, you will also be forcing a rebellion against military objectives by those who would otherwise be uncommitted either way. A utter ruse.

To: mistermj who wrote (209336)	11/28/2006 3:36:49 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

mjfdl, re: "I think most people are against the enslavement model...thankfully.." Good for you. But how strongly against the draft/enslavement model are ya? Let's start with your proposition: no one should be compelled to "serve their country." OK so far? Sure it is, especially when we have that heroic "all volunteer army," or nearly all "volunteer." But what if the all volunteer army model starts to "break?" What if we start having to offer bigger and bigger enlistment and reenlistment bonuses, increase the pay and benefits and even start to improve the penny ante way we care for our wounded veterans just to keep the number of "all volunteers" steady? But we can't keep escalating and, besides, that's not enough. So we have to lower the enlistment standards and take people with low test scores, criminal and moral charges on their records and we begin to accept the psychologically unstable? But after that backlog is processed we're still far short. The enlisted soldiers finally get exhausted with multiple overseas tours, wives that cry all night long and children who think their daddy's and momma's are just visitors. The reenlistment rate dramatically drops, especially for the hazardous duty mos's like infantry and artillery. The military reassigns other soldiers to hazardous duty even though they're not trained for it. Clerks are packing rifles but the borrowing leaves the military shorthanded on essential non-combat services. The equipment backlogs are immense and the losses of wounded and dead are adding up over time. The army begins to shrink to the point where you can't fight any "real" wars and maybe, just maybe, you can't readily respond to hurricanes, border security breaches or fully defend the "homeland." I'm betting that if we get to that point a chicken hawk like you will be all for the compulsory service of others and not because it's more fair to load the risk of the blood toll on all Americans equally. I'm betting that your "no slavery" principles are negotiable at that point. Reality can be a bitch. Welcome to the real world. Ed