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To: JohnM who wrote (32206)	12/2/2006 8:45:41 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 541141

a huge chunk of the Democratic Party was against the Iraq war from the start, and would have opposed it even if–no, especially if–they thought that war could be won ... The dovish inclination of the Democratic base has acted as a major constraint on our policy in Iraq. There is no need to go any further. For the 10 to 15% true Bushies, all they need is a few sound bites that they can recite and will use to respond to any reasoned arguments concerning the war. There may only be a few dozen people that can provide such original sound bites, but there are several hundred thousand Bush type individuals that will repeat the sound bites under whatever circumstances they find themselves and try to appear as if they are really people that can think.

To: JohnM who wrote (32206)	12/2/2006 9:40:15 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541141

:-) "But really, how can the president blame anything on a powerless minority in Congress and not indict himself as the weakest and most pitiful chief executive the republic has ever had?" That's a toughy to answer. But no doubt the right will come up with something...no matter how strange. I think the American people, the majority of them, the ones who threw the republicans out in disgust, have made up their minds, though, and all the attempts at blame shifting are going to play very badly in Peoria. I think the Bush faithful love this stuff, because for some reason they just can't get their heads around the fact that Bush is a major nightmare for the country, and I understand that- it's always hard to realize you've been taken in, whether by a stock, or by a president, but the rest of the country, a large majority of the country, has no need to love Bush that way, and such childish attempts to escape responsibility will mar conservative chances in 2008. The country will not be soon to forget the fiasco and who is responsible for it. The people can be misled; that's true- but once the scales fall from their eyes, they are not quick to trust the same culprits again, and rancor in America toward politicians who have "fallen" tends to be deep. Clinton seemed to escape that, for the most part, but I think that had to do with the fact that he was willing to be contrite, publicly, and no one could do a Mea Culpa like Clinton- he was also much more likable than the present crew in the White House (except to the truly Clinton-hate-obsessed, who were a small but vocal and rabid minority). With Bush the hate and disgust is not so much confined to one small segment of the political community. It seems to be a huge groundswell, and his demeanor lately is only fueling it more, so I thnik 2008 may be pretty bleak for the republicans, because I don't know hor far and how fast they can logically run from Bush, unless they are someone like Chafee who is really not in the same party at all.