To: Cage Rattler who wrote (18195 ) 12/5/2006 4:11:54 AM From: GUSTAVE JAEGER Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 32591 Re: Well that may be how islam rationalizes their anti-Western beliefs and actions, but how does it differ from their redundant insistence to exterminate Israel, the Jews, and the U.S.? Yours is a captious phrasing, to be sure... You cunningly conflate the fate of Israel with that of the entire Western world as if the former, somehow, portended the latter. The very same propagandistic trick was used by French Algeria diehards fifty years ago: Messrs. Soustelle, Salan, Susini, Zeller, etc, all claimed that the fate of the free world hinged upon keeping Algeria as a French colony, they prophesied --wrongly-- that the Soviet fleet would moor at Mers-el-Kebir as soon as the (independist) FLN took over.... Re: Bottom line, the choice offered non-islamic world civilization is, Convert to islam, or die." Such kind benevolence is touching. Again, you deviously warp the reality... the actual bottom line being for the non-western/white world to choose between Judeofascism and annihilation by Judeofascist powers (the US, Israel, and the UK) --just ask Iraqis.... Re: Can you respond to my previous question, quoted as follows: "Considering all the obvious negative anti-social aspects of islam, can you suggest a few, generally acceptable positive, civilized contributions motivating them (islamists) beyond simply world-domination at any cost?" "World domination"?! LOL! Most conflicts involving Muslim peoples basically boil down to self-determination and the legitimate fight against colonialism and imperialism, be it in Afghanistan and the Caucasus (both against Russian imperialism), or in Palestine (against Zionist colonialism). Now, it's quite possible that some Muslim leaders dream of "dominating the world" but they're not alone indulging in daydreams. China and India, too, want their places in the sun... China, for her part, has successfully built up the industrial/technological base to back her claim to "world domination". As for "all the obvious negative anti-social aspects of islam", that's quite a bigoted broadside that could as well apply to Christianity and its evangelical, creationist cults.... But then again, my debunking of your Islamophobic rationale doesn't fit the Judeofascist agenda of Israelizing the West... Ever since Reichstag 9/11(*), Judeofascists in the US, Europe and Israel have struggled to lump together Americans, Europeans and Israelis into a common purpose. Judeofascists relentlessly endeavor to sync the public opinions of Europe and the US with that of Israel. Unlike their ill-fated French forerunners who ended up fighting for a lost cause in Algeria, today's Zionists perfectly understand that Israel's war for supremacy must be advertised as the free world's war for victory. After all, that's what the so-called "clash of civilizations" is all about: psyching up Europeans, Americans, white people everywhere, into identifying themselves with beleaguered Israelis in a worldwide struggle for white/western hegemony.... Gus (*) Message 22530665