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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: RMF who wrote (8822)	12/4/2006 7:39:36 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224729

Wrong. Kerry was defending the troops who had been put into an atrocity-filled theater of war. The fault he put squarely on the shoulders of Nixon and the Pentagon. Never the troops themselves. Kerry was with the troops and spoke for many of them at his testimony. He did not speak for himself. He specifically listed free-fire zones (orders to fire at anything that moves), burning down hootches (an Admiral Hoffman of the smearvets common order), My Lai massacre type tragedies (when soldiers go insane with rage and snap), Agent Orange and napalm on civilians and farms (both atrocities which we'd never tolerate these days) and the Phoenix Program which the CIA ran, a huge assassination and terrorism program designed to destroy the Vietcong's hold on rural Vietnam and Cambodia. A favorite method of assasination, with the CIA using SEALS and Gren Berets specially trained to hit and run without being seen, was de-capitation. Man did it take balls for Kerry to tell then nation the truth about the dark side of Vietnam. Nixon orders Kerry "destroyed". using the original smearvet John O'Neill working for Charles Colson. And that Kerry testimony definitely helped end the war sooner thereby saving thousands of US troops lives. Never blame the whistleblowers, my fellow American, especially when the whistleblower has earned the right to blow that whistle, and the government crimes are so heinous. Kerry's own boat was involved in a free fire incident where his gunner opened up on civilians and killed them before Kerry could stop it. And Kerry ferried Phoenix Program assassins into Cambodia too. But always remember the difference, soldiers are ORDERED to do most of these things, so it is the Brass and Pentagon and White House that were to blame, not the troops. Kerry has always defended the troops. His whole oppositon to the war was based on saving US troops lives and sanity.

To: RMF who wrote (8822)	12/4/2006 8:27:14 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224729

Any student of the Vietnam War knows it's indefensible, and Bush has made the same dishonest mistakes al over again in Iraq. You can't occupy a country you don't understand, get in between its civil war, support corruption, bomb and kill hundreds of thousands of its citizens, support death squads and and assassinations and order your soldiers to behave like barbarians, and expect to win hearts and minds. What the hell were we doing in Vietnam anyway? The whole Gulf Of Tonkin attack was a big fat lie. Never even happened. Which is why LBJ stepped down. He knew not only had he blown it, but he'd lied. Then Nixon took over saying one thing and doing another. He promised to phase out the war but escalated instead, particularly in terms of the most inhumane kind of warfare techniques, including illegal stuff of all kinds, incursions into Cambodia, massive bombing and terroristic methods of trying to scare the enemy into backing off, free-fire zones where oud troops were ordered to kill anjything that moved. Our soldiers, including Kerry and his friends, were victims of these insane policies. At least we know for sure they were insane now. Smart people knew they were insane then. Kerry tossed ribbons over the fence in symbolic protest. Considering the gravity of the times it was understandable. He never threw his medals away. The medals he threw were from a disabled vet who asked him to throw them for him. Kerry has explained that truthfully.