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To: miraje who wrote (188744)	12/6/2006 4:36:59 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793983

It may be "Americanism" that the militants are going after....all the underpinnings that have made America great, seem to be the target of many on the socialist and marxist left.... I don't think that it is "Christians" or "Jews" or anything else of the sort....but rather, it seems to be trying to sever relationships between Americans themselves, no matter what religion or creed or color we are. One World wants to rule, don't forget that. Soros and his group said so in similar words. When militant secularists (there's an "ist" again) go after such things as "In God We Trust" on coins and "Under God" on the Pledge and "Merry Christmas", it's more like tradition and culture they're going after

To: miraje who wrote (188744)	12/6/2006 9:11:27 AM
From: DMaA	Respond to of 793983

it's more like tradition and culture they're going after. That is precisely the case. I congratulate you on your piercing insight. And the tragedy is only the religious Christians are resisting it. This gives legitimacy to the argument of the people actively tearing down the American culture that Christianists are just trying to foist their religion on the rest of us.

To: miraje who wrote (188744)	12/6/2006 11:21:41 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793983

I completely agree with you on the nitpicking by the secularists who are going after the historical and ceremonial aspects. On the other hand, I find actions like Judge Moore's sneaking in the Ten Commandments during the night to be unacceptable. He crossed the line into imposing his own beliefs, by virtue of his authority, into the public domain- and he deserved a backlash to that. We are preparing our Christmas concert now. Like you, I am no longer religious, but I love the CHristmas music. I've posted a lot about the absurdity of trying to separate the spiritual element from the history of music. Singing Handel isn't some underhanded form of Christian proselytizing or brain-washing; it's excellent, educational music. Of course, I live in Texas, so our concert includes: This Little Babe (Britten's Ceremony of Carols) Gaudete! Gaudete! derived from a medieval chant Go Tell it on the Mountain Gesu Bambino and then some secular pieces like Sleigh Ride and Merry Christmas, Darling, which is really cheesy. But you can only do religious if it makes up a limited percentage. Give me the religious work over the secular anyday for quality. MIlitant anything-ists are a problem. And so I find the CHristianist label just a helpful semantic tool to separate the Roy Moores from the tolerant and loving CHristians who DO live and let live.