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To: epicure who wrote (210008)	12/6/2006 3:22:33 PM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I would think that a man of character would have immediately acknowledged, at a minimum, that his comment didn't go with the passage from Brooks that he quoted. A man of real character would have gotten back to you to clarify his previous comment. You know what they say, You judge a man's character by what he does. That's all we can do. I do think it is very likely the religious people are indeed more charitiable- especially since they have to tithe. But even outside of tithing, for those who believe that deeds, not words, will get them in to heaven, of COURSE they have to get out there and do deeds. To some extent it's a situational advantage. If you're sitting in Church and the minister/priest/rabbi/... starts up a collection for cause xyz it's pretty easy. A little prompting to pull our your wallet by someone you trust is a no-brainer. On the other hand, there's the cold call to your house during dinner....the 6th one today...it doesn't take long for people to start slamming down the phone to escape these people. So as not to influence anyone about a specific non-profit. I was giving to this non-profit on a regular basis. At one point, I said, let's quadruple my donation if you promise to call me only once a year instead of the three times you do call me. Great! they said. I sent the donation in and got a call they reminded me of the once a year deal and said the year was up. That year seemed to go by quickly....when I went to file the receipt in my tax files, I noticed that "one year" turned out to be 3 months. I'm going to find another charity. jttmab

To: epicure who wrote (210008)	12/7/2006 1:34:02 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I think I should point out a few misconceptions you have re. the majority religion in this country: ..since they have to tithe. FYI, there are very few (if any) Christian denominations that require their members to tithe. In fact, there might not be any. I certainly am not aware of any. But even outside of tithing, for those who believe that deeds, not words, will get them in to heaven, of COURSE they have to get out there and do deeds. Again FYI, I believe that there are no Christian denominations teach that deeds will get anyone into heaven. That is called "salvation by works" and is explicitly and strongly rejected by most (probably all) Christian groups. "Now "latria signifies servitude," as Augustine states (De Civ. Dei x, 1). And we are bound to serve not only God, but also our neighbor, according to Gal. 5:13, "By charity of the spirit serve one another." Therefore religion includes a relation to one's neighbor also" Christians do teach that they should serve God first, others second, and themselves third, but that has nothing to do with getting into heaven.