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To: Brumar89 who wrote (210107)	12/7/2006 10:06:29 PM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"May" means probably and is not an indicator of bias. "May" means "may"; probably is a different word that has a different connotation as in likely. His use of the word "may" is unsupported; it's a speculation. The speculation indicates the bias. Most Catholics are not liberal. We'll just have to disagree on that one. I was brought up RC and outside of sexual related issues they're liberal. I don't think any churches require tithing. I've spent a bit of time with a number of members of the LDS. As far as they're concerned tithing is required. And if you're not up to what the church expects you'll get a visit from the church elders. I never really liked going to business lunches with them in Salt Lake. They were cheapest tippers I had ever seen and looking for the tiniest flaw in service to avoid leaving any tip at all. The FLDS certainly requires tithing. This puzzled me for a time. Then I realilzed you think I am a religious person boasting about myself. Of course not. In fact that's a puzzle to me as the paragraph you wrote I read as having an emphasis on liberal vs. conservative rather than religious. To repeat your paragraph.... "The claim that liberalism eroes character is my own opinion. I find a primary difference between non-religious liberals and non-religious conservatives to be the attitude to our culture's traditional religiously derived moral values (virtues and vices). Non-religious conservatives are generally respectful of traditional values recognizing that they serve as good and useful guides to conduct regardless of whether one shares the religious beliefs that originally produced them. Liberals tend to be dismissive of traditional values at best and contemptuous and hostile at worst." To me that's clearly a liberal vs. conservative comparison. Religious is secondary. Note that both your lead sentence and closing sentence are pejoratives against liberals/liberalism with no mention of religion. I am quite respectful of other person's traditional values and I would hope that they are respectful of mine. [If I'm a liberal]. Don't try to cram your traditional values down my throat or anyone else for that matter. What I find particularly odd about conservatives is how un-American they are. At least what I understand American values to be. American values are based on respecting individual rights, not majority rights. Everything you've written suggests group values that you perceive are majority values and to be accepted by everyone whether they agree with them or not. Let me state it better, the religious people I meant to defend - I think most of them are better than me. You didn't learn your religious lessons very well. jttmab