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To: TimF who wrote (7876)	12/22/2006 3:51:48 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 15987

Tim, it wouldn't need the USA to do anything: <it isn't going to happen almost immediately. It most likely isn't relevant to the current situation in Iraq, and wouldn't have been even if we tried to bring about such an organization before the 2003 invasion> The USA could even be irrelevant. On timing, it has been over 15 years since April Glaspie and the White House arranged for Kuwait to be invaded to open the way to sanctions and a higher oil price. It has been over half a decade since 911. Iraqis could decide of their own accord that having a NUN might be a good thing. Since they have the imagination of the rock they circle during the Haj, it's not likely that they'd figure it out. But shift happens, to coin a phrase. Major paradigm shift happens. Jews wailing against their wall of rocks might have a similar revelation. Though one would have to question the imagination of people with pet rocks which seem to rule their lives. Tamagochi, pet rock, wailing wall, kaba - it's much the same. It's sense of identity, belonging, tribalism. Rocks are considered permanent. Hey, there's an idea. The NUN should build a big rock. A really big rock. Bigger than Cheops. interoz.com A pet rock Tamogochi for the world. It could have a fountain and waterfall, powered by tourists who could sit on an exercycle and pump water to the top with the electricity generated. The falling water would ring bells of peace, light, harmony, happiness, health, prosperity, longevity, fun and love. People could climb to the top and paddle in the water, drinking from purified water. Because of popularity, there would need to be a continuous auction for access to avoid over-crowding. Maybe tomorrow they'll suddenly start figuring out the NUN. Once the idea takes hold, it'll be like mob hysteria. Look how the Nazis got everyone shouting Sieg Heil. Mobs do like stuff like mob stuff like that. Not just Jews and Moslems, but Christians too should go for it. Apparently a World Government is part of their Rapture plans. King George II should go for it on that basis alone. We atheists like it too because we prefer sensible temporal democratic governance than leaving it to Allah, or praying to Jesus for divine guidance, or hoping for a "strong man" to boss everyone into submission. Santa would be nice but he's busy at Xmas. Mqurice

To: TimF who wrote (7876)	12/22/2006 3:57:17 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 15987

They by definition are collective. The air is collective. It moves around and apart from windmills, there's not a lot to stop it. <As for common interests I don't necessarily want them to be collectivist either, or decided by some quasi world government. I don't want CO2 emissions for businesses or spectrum rights to be handed down by some international body. If they are going to be internationally decided it should be by specific treaty.> Spectrum is collective. Photons go rampaging off into the aether and some of them propagate a long way. The oceans are also collective - they circle around in an endless quest for a lower level, carrying pollution with them. Mqurice