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To: Slagle who wrote (68747)	12/29/2006 11:37:27 PM
From: bruiser98	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

A board to consider for your discussion. Subject 53892 Oddly enough, it's moderated by the only person banned from this thread.

To: Slagle who wrote (68747)	12/29/2006 11:53:38 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Saddam won't be funding Palestinians to conduct suicide bomb attacks against Jews and won't be able to kill Americans in Israel [as he did with a bomb at a university]. I don't know how much of my taxes are going from QUALCOMM to the USA to Israel. But I have heard there is quite a bit. Used, I understand, to buy military equipment. Since military equipment needs live testing, there is some argument that it's worth having militarily active areas to try things out to see how they work. The Patriot missiles for example, missed a lot of Scuds. I'm also okay with some expenditure in defence of a country established by the United Nations, though I'd like to see large constitutional changes in the UN. I don't believe Iraq I or II were to benefit Israel at all. Though that was an obvious outcome - like building a bridge to somewhere benefits property owners near where the bridge is built [in terms of capital gains if not quality of life due to noise]. Neither do I think the Zionist idea was part of an imperialist plot for the USA, though imperialism was part of the outcome. I don't know about the "leftism" association. Seems questionable. Kissinger, Jacobs, and many others are not exactly raving commies. I haven't even spent 2 seconds reading it, but here's a link which suggests your theory is a load of rot: biblebelievers.org.au As in Israel, I dare say there are swarms of different political thoughts among Jews and that as with everyone else, their thinking changes from decade to decade and even day to day. I know I don't think the same thing from young to old and have changed my views in major ways. Mqurice

To: Slagle who wrote (68747)	1/2/2007 5:53:48 AM
From: 8bits	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<<<And then you have the political agitation of our domestic Jews, for 100 years here they have been the primary advocates of every single destructive and ill considered leftist program, from labor radicalism to redistribution of assets. I suppose this was a product of their mistreatment under the Czar and elsewhere. And they are improving their political positions, at least some of them are. Now some of our strongest conservatives and most rabid nationalists are Jews and this is a very good thing. But unfortunately they still vote for leftist in aggregate. Slagle>>> I unfortunately would have to admit that ethnic jews (and as you state in another post, predominantly secular jews..) are over represented as a percentage of their population in various leftist movements in the US. However, I don't agree that they were the "primary advocates of every single destructive and ill considered leftist program" consider Eugene Debs, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, Frank Norris, Upton Sinclair - Also major political figures which would include LBJ and Ted Kennedy..American Socialism (as an outgrowth of Christianity) was well established before the large Eastern European migrations that brought in many ethnic jews. I would like to point out they are also over represented in libertarian and capitalist economics. For example Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, Murray Rothbard, and Paul Samuelson to name a few.