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To: Road Walker who wrote (318488)1/3/2007 7:07:15 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1584598
 
STILL MORE EVIDENCE THAT JOE LIEBERMAN FUDGED TRUTH ABOUT WHAT THE COMMANDERS TOLD HIM ABOUT "SURGE."

I'm sorry, I just can't let this one go. I've now stumbled across evidence that suggests even more strongly than before that Joe Lieberman didn't tell the truth about what the commanders told him they thought of a "surge" in troops to Iraq.

As you know, Lieberman has been justifying his call for more troops by saying that he'd reached this conclusion after going to Iraq and meeting "with our military commanders on the ground." More recently, he even wrote that the commanders themselves had "asked" for more troops during those private discussions.

Now check this out, then. As noted below, GOP Rep. Susan Collins of Maine was also in the Senate delegation to Iraq and was in on those discussions, as was John McCain. The outstanding question, then, is: What was said in them?

Fortunately, Collins herself has now answered this question. It turns out Collins has written a column for the local Maine newspapers describing the discussions with commanders in some detail. The column hasn't appeared in the newspapers yet, but her office has released an advance copy of what's going to appear and sent one to me. Here's what Collins wrote:


In Basra, we met with British commanders who talked about the declining “consent line” -- that is, when the British first arrived, their presence was welcomed by the population, but as time has gone on, their presence is less and less tolerated. Needless to say, there was much discussion in all of our meetings -- whether with Iraqi leaders, American or British commanders, or rank-and-file troops -- about whether or not more American troops are needed. My conclusion is that it would be a mistake to send more troops to Baghdad. Prime Minister Maliki did not welcome the prospect of more American troops and indeed seemed frustrated that he did not have more control over his own troops. One American general told me that a jobs program in Baghdad would do more good than additional troops....

The one region where an American commander, General Kilmer, did specifically express the need for more troops was in Anbar province. General Kilmer told us that he could use another brigade (about 3,000 troops) or even two to build on the positive developments in the region. I agree with his assessment, but think that a reallocation of troops, rather than an overall increase, could meet his need.

Okay, so the British commanders told Collins that their presence was "less and less tolerated." One American commander said outright that a "surge" wouldn't do any good. And only one American commander said an increase might help -- a small increase that could be solved by a reallocation. According to Collins' account, then, not a single commander came anywhere near saying anything that could be construed as desiring -- or even supporting -- any kind of large scale increase.

Yet Lieberman has repeatedly claimed that he emerged from these same discussions "strongly" convinced that an escalation is the right course of action. He even asserted that the commanders were "asking" for more troops. Either Collins or Lieberman is not leveling with us here. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to who it is?


--Greg Sargent
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