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To: E who wrote (212264)1/9/2007 6:20:40 PM
From: epicure  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
In many states we put killers to death in the US. While I completely disagree with the death penalty, the only time I am aware of a person being mocked when they were on death row, was when Bush mocked someone.

Normally, no matter how heinous the crime, the death sentence is carried out with some dignity- except when equipment malfunctions, and prisoners lie writhing in pain, or are on fire- but that's the fault of the means of the execution, and while it certainly subtracts from the dignity, it isn't the same as having humans mocking the dying. As I said, except for Bush, I'm not aware of anyone else in government mocking a death row person- regardless of the crime- so obviously it isn't necessary.



To: E who wrote (212264)1/9/2007 6:49:10 PM
From: Bill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
I realize you believe Bush is all-knowing and all-powerful, but truth be told, he had nothing to do with the conduct of the people present for Saddam's execution.



To: E who wrote (212264)1/9/2007 7:39:49 PM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Apparently you (like most people) don't realize that the main Nuremberg trial was not the only one.

In fact, there were twelve, and dozens of executions.
law.umkc.edu

And many military trials of Nazis outside of Nuremberg. Each of the four occupying powers were allowed to have military tribunals in their own zone of occupation. The Soviets conducted their military tribunals against the Nazis in Berlin. They imprisoned their Nazi prisoners in the former Nazi concentration camp, Sachsenhausen, where thousands perished from famine and disease. Ironic way to die, no?, in your own concentration camp. And far from humanitarian.
stiftung-bg.de

But of course, the Soviets did what the Soviets wanted, we certainly couldn't stop them.

At any rate, you may be sure to a point of moral certainty that the Allies treated all Nazi prisoners with total civility, but I simply refuse to believe something based on the fact that there is no evidence one way or the other. The desire for revenge is normal. Treating your enemy kindly in wartime is abnormal.

Human nature being what it is, especially in wartime, the suggestion you make is less than credible. We hated the Nazis and the Soviets hated them even worse.
findarticles.com

In short, you may be a saint, but don't expect others to be.



To: E who wrote (212264)1/9/2007 8:44:49 PM
From: michael97123  Respond to of 281500
 
"The undignified, inflammatory spectacle of jeer, taunting and insult was not inevitable. It was a result of poor judgment by the Bush Administration."

Agree with everything you wrote except this last line. Bush admin may be dumb but this was an iraqi shiaa execution that the US couldnt stop and couldnt control. Bush folks cringed the next day just like you, i am certain, well almost.