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To: Bearcatbob who wrote (78173)	1/17/2007 1:25:34 PM
From: Tommaso	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 206145

"When the Algores of the world stand up for nuclear power" The Patrick Moores already are. Moore is the founder of Greenpeace.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (78173)	1/17/2007 1:35:39 PM
From: Think4Yourself	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 206145

I agree with you. Over the past 15 years the issue has progressed from: "Is it occurring?" to "it's occurring but is it due to man" to "it's occurring but how much is due to man?" which is where it is now. There clearly IS a political issue if one chooses to push it, but that diverts focus from the problem. IF humans, and I don't mean just Americans, are causing it, humans had better change their behavior to stop causing it. FWIW this is one of those exceedingly rare issues where the person on the street can have as much or more of an impact than any government or Kyoto Protocol. All he/she has to do is not waste energy. Turn off lights when not needed, weatherstrip and insulate, don't leave the car running when it isn't required, Don't leave windows open with the heat/AC on, buy efficient appliances, and other simple stuff like that. There is no significant lifestyle compromise and you actually save a LOT of money in the long run while at the same time saving resources for the next generation. If you go into my sister's house on any sunny afternoon, all the lights are on because the kids were never trained to turn lights off when they were done in the room. She paid a FORTUNE in electric bills each month. I bought her flourescent bulbs for christmas a number of years back. The effective gift I gave her over time was hundreds of dollars in electric bill savings. It's just too bad the kids still have that bad habit.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (78173)	1/17/2007 1:42:53 PM
From: JimisJim	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206145

Bearcatbob, re: two issues <1. Is it man made warming and 2. If it is man made warming - with world demographics the way they are is there anything to be done about it?> What difference does it make if it is natural or manmade if the end result threatens the existence of mankind? Seems like a lot of time, effort and energy is wasted on such arguments over who or what is causing it when we should be more focused on what effect it will have on the future of human beings -- the only reason to figure out who or what is causing it would be to help determine what, if anything can be done about it.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (78173)	1/17/2007 4:20:07 PM
From: whitepine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 206145

Bob, Are you saying that NE Ohio is a microcosm for world climate change? Are you suggesting that a few winters in Ohio are sufficient evidence to conclude world-wide change? If one cites another region of the world that has record cold for a few years, is that sufficient to conclude that our climate has changed? Is climate change synonymous with weather change? If one can't project NG prices from one DOE data release on one Thursday morning, and if one can't deduce which direction SLB stock is likely to move over the next 3 month's from the market action of one day, why should we assume that a few winters accurately reflect CLIMATE change? wp