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To: Dale Baker who wrote (33723)	1/20/2007 12:58:42 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541851

Peg me as a pessimist, but with Hillary and Obama, I think the two most likely Dem primary runners are unelectable. I wish the Dems would field someone with a realistic middle of the road shot.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (33723)	1/20/2007 1:00:01 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541851

Sentiment about Iraq will probably do a lot to shape the outcome. I go back and forth on this one, at least as it involves the Dem primaries. My guess is that there will be little to differentiate Dem candidates here. That means I don't think who voted for or against the Iraq war resolution will matter enough to make a difference. What will matter is the current stance candidates take. The three top candidates--Clinton, Obama, and Edwards--are genuinely smart people. That won't differentiate them. Experience might. And that's a Clinton strength. Style might. And that's definitely an Obama strength. Clinton comes in a distant third here. But only for the moment. She might surprise here. She certainly, to quote Kevin Drum, has only an upside here. And she showed in NY just how much she could do an upside in her senatorial campaigns and, for that matter, her period in the senate. She will try to shed the DLC image in the primaries and will try to make it as difficult as possible for Obama and Edwards to outflank her to the left. Or to try to make them sound shrill if they do so. And Drum didn't mention this but she has, everyone admits, the best political adviser in the country in her husband. And, most likely, the best fund raiser as well. She'll be awfully hard to beat. In the Dem primaries. Thanks for asking. I resisted trying to think about this until it was clearer who was in and out. Care to elaborate a bit more on the "machine" argument? I'm interested.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (33723)	1/20/2007 1:12:13 PM
From: Sultan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541851

I'd like to see solid outside plodders.. Last go around I actually thought Edwards would do well.. Clinton can't win and Obama has been hyped a tad too much.. But who knows..

To: Dale Baker who wrote (33723)	1/20/2007 2:06:59 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541851

Do you think the Democratic primary contest will become The Machine (Hillary) against......... Ironically perhaps the Iraq war will prevent Hillary from becoming president? She has boxed herself into a corner where everyone running can attack her position. She has voted for it all along, not apologized for it and now has come out against increasing the number of troops. Voted for it and not come out against change? The worst of positions if things remain as they are now! Steve