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To: Suma who wrote (194302)	1/26/2007 6:16:20 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 793966

Don't lump all teachers, whether they have a Ph.D or not or just a Masters Degree as was necessary in the school where I taught.... as dumb or poor in teaching. It is always the person. There is so little training of teachers to be good at teaching going on. Worst of all at the College level. Learn the material, go out and teach it. That's the standard. What must be the worst are these "ESL" Engineering teachers in colleges. Hired because the have the right degree and grades, but almost not understandable to the students. San Jose used to be famous for this. The Dean was a Pak, and that's all he hired.

To: Suma who wrote (194302)	1/26/2007 9:22:48 PM
From: ManyMoose	Respond to of 793966

One of the top two teachers I had was a PhD, but I just had him for one course in geology.

To: Suma who wrote (194302)	1/27/2007 12:53:42 AM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793966

Hi Suma. my statement was aimed at those in the administrative positions as opposed to the actual teachers. In the pre-college administration and higher state levels you find a lot of "educators" who seem unable to find common sense, workable and effective means of selecting and implementing standards and structure. Most of them are educated far beyond their talent; a gaggle of Condi Rice's comes to mind. As far as teachers, the quality of teachers is far lower than when you were a young lady. Back then there were a tremendous number of really bright, really talented and really energetic women in teaching. There weren't that many other options for those get-things-done-well women. Now they're doctors, lawyers, accountants, executives, etc. They're replaced by a lot of teachers whose greatest talent was telling the teacher what the teacher told them. They stayed with what they did well; school. That's not, of course, all of them or even a majority of them, but those treasured, rare, talented teachers who inspired many of us are more rare now then they've ever been. And many of our administrative phds need to be replaced by people who understand that years getting a phd in "education" is no substitute for common sense and leadership ability. In fact, I'd guess that most people willing to spend years getting phds in education don't have a big dollop of common sense or leadership ability, but they sure can use the education jargon. Ed

To: Suma who wrote (194302)	1/27/2007 8:37:39 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793966

Don't lump all teachers, whether they have a Ph.D or not or just a Masters Degree as was necessary in the school where I taught.... as dumb or poor in teaching. I think there is some correlation between too much education and the loss of some abilities to learn from actual experience. This is probably true for all professions. To some extent it is similar to when as children, children can learn to speak a language naturally. When we grow older and get more "educated" we have more difficulty in learning a new language. I think the way we get "educated" gets in the way of learning.