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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (225609)2/8/2007 9:50:08 PM
From: fastpathguruRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 275872
 
Nope, actually you're the one who got a lot of things backwards.

First of all, 1S systems are more sensitive to latency than 4S systems. In 4S systems, it's all about the bandwidth. Opteron achieves it by virtually combining the bandwidth of all four memory controllers via HyperTransport.


Undisputed. I think you'll find that the more threaded an application is, the smaller the performance gap between AMD and Intel. Intel shines brightest when its big cache can be dedicated to a single thread, while AMD likes it when the pressure is on main memory.

Xeon does it by relying on the north bridge to provide the bandwidth. Neither approach is really superior as long as the bandwidth is available. [emphasis mine] (Power, on the other hand, is a different story.)

Sure, in theory. Is there a 4xFSB, 8xDDR2 channel chipset for Intel, and if so, what's the cost? Please don't make me go through the argument about how AMD's solution scales better, esp. at the 4S level... It's not theory but actual product that's been out for 4 years now.

Secondly, AMD needs to make its L3 a victim cache because the size of it is "merely" 2MB. That's the same as the sum of the L2 caches, so it's obvious that a traditional L3 cache would have been useless. In other words, the necessity of the victim cache approach is driven by AMD's inability to match Intel's manufacturing strength.

Why are you harping on a victim cache architecture? I didn't promote it as something extra-special. Its just a way to get a lot of bang out of the cache "buck". No doubt, Intel has done a great job at more than making up for their memory latency deficit with large/compact/fast caches, prefetch, and reordering. IMHO, AMD will do nicely with all of the above (maybe not such huge caches) PLUS lower latency.

And third, it's not Intel who needs to catch AMD at the moment. It's AMD who needs to catch up to Intel. Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.

Undisputed. No one is disputing that Intel's core has finally accumulated enough advanced and/or brute-force technology to beat AMD's 4 year old core in the cases where it's platform advantages aren't leveraged. Please forgive me for not being awestruck that a company with 10x the workforce and cash is capable of doing so... It will be a far more impressive feat for me if/when little AMD's Barcelona manages to cut Intel's moment of glory short.

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