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To: koan who wrote (32735)	2/13/2007 3:18:48 AM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 78421

Quantum computing won't safeguard secrets. People might, but with relativistic cultural outlook it is increasingly unlikely that modern leading cultures will remain armoured enough to preserve all necessary defensive advantage into the future indefinitely, nor secure any permanent technical advantage as time unfolds and other competing civilizations progress. The only sure advantage a society can possibly have from any jealous overtaking culture is social vigour and economic superiority achieved due to the participation of its citizens in the most efficient and productive life . This can only be exacted and implemented by willing participation of citizens towards the use of the greatest physical and mental energy and the efficient channeling of this energy to a common good. Generating loyalty amongst large numbers of people is an amazing concept, akin in the animal world to the defensive mechanisms of herds, schools, and other social survival groups. Psychological and other studies of animal and human interactions in groups indicates that there are natural limits to all territorial expansion which express themselves in parallel in human and animal models. Exploiting these defenses and survival techniques requires evolution and a deep analysis of the most beneficial environment for the fundamental unit. Most of these concepts were visited in only a social sense by Hamilton and Paine late in the 18 century. Marx, himself a defector from a society that he though underappreciated him, sought to model a society that was even more oppressive of the basic lowest denominator of the society, by itself. This society of course is prone to draconian domination at by ever narrower and more unaccountable groups at even worse a level than the highly stratified society that Marx abhorred. The almost unfathomable complexity is how to provide continuity, cohesiveness, necessary "security" and provide the least coercion and the most extrinsic and intrinsic motivation to the participators. The seats of power that organize and mediate the processes of interaction of the people must he overseen with the least disturbance of the security, but with the most careful regulation of their natural tendency to excess. It is sad indeed that people are so brainwashed that they accept all the Roman models of logic which pretend to disavow the deep psychological aberrance which makes mockery of the supposed independent and disinterested view of arbitrators of government and law. At first these principles are eminently logical and propagandistically presentable, so they only fall apart as BF Skinner, Allen Ginsberg and Jim Morrison in modern times demonstrated so convincingly, when we do a deeper psychological analysis of the motivation and the drivers of power. EC<:-}