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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (219951)	2/21/2007 3:37:01 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Just because a foreigner is accepted but not considered the same as a native, doesn't mean that the foreigner's children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren will also be considered foreigners forever. The converts children will be born and raised Jews. Are you telling me that if a person converts to Judaeism when he/she is 20, then at the age of 30 he/she meets some Jewish people he/she hasn't met before, they can probably tell that she's a convert and not born Jewish? I doubt that. I think this is why I called you racist yesterday - sorry about that - but this might have been the wine fueled thought process. The view that the convert is "suspect, and perhaps less Jewish" than the person born Jewish only applies to people who are aware of the conversion, correct? In other words, if someone doesn't tell you that "they converted when they got married", how are you going to know? I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that you aren't going to know. So the opinion that the convert is "suspect in the community" is due to your own bias against converts, not due to something in the convert themselves. I don't think the Japanese can tell that the Korean-born wife who has lived in Japan for 20 years is Korean. In fact, people who meet the Japanese speaking Korean national who has lived in Japan for 20 years will treat her as a Japanese. It's only when she announces her Korean nationality that their discrimination will appear, and that's what it is, discrimination.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (219951)	2/21/2007 9:26:01 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

A Jew doesnt have to follow Judaism to be a Jew. If you are born of a jewish mother you are jewish, period regardless of what religion you practice and regardless of whether you know you are jewish or were shielded from this knowledge as in the Holocaust period. This is a hard concept for non-jews to understand. Thats why so many otherwise decent folks have it in for the jewish state and talk about moving all the jews to south america or antartica OR turning israel/palestine into a multi-ethnic state with an arab majority.